I’ve been playing about 6 months and loving it! I started with a Feadog, now I mostly play a Clarke Sweetone and just got a Dixon PVC. I really love the pure, clear sound of the Dixon, and I’m starting to like the sound of the others less, but it isn’t quite loud or crisp enough for the really fast tunes or session play.
Any suggestions of a whistle with really clear, clean sound and not much chiff?
My Burkes are about as pure, clear and clean as you can get. I’m a session hound and in my experience the DBSBT can handle all but the largest/loudest sessions. For those, I pull out the Abell, Harper, or Susato which are all very clean and clear with more vol than the Burke. But be careful about volume. Fit in…don’t dominate. Odd, I had a Dixon Poly D and it had plenty of volume for most sessions.
Thanks for the answers! Here and when I’ve asked elsewhere, the answer is almost universally Burke. Guess I’ll have to start saving up.
The Dixon probably is loud enough since I’m certainly not good enough to event think about “dominating” a session even if it weren’t bad etiquette! I was just struck by how much quieter it seemed than the other two I was playing (my wife even stopped complaining about my playing in the house!
or you could get the heavier brass Dixon pro (DX203) in the meantime? Has quite a pure, bell like tone.
I played mine lots for a while and then got a Burke (also wide bore). Very clean sounding but I went off the idea and quickly decided I wanted to go back to much more trad/chiffier sounding whistle. The only session whistles I take out now are a Cillian Briain tweaked Feadog and the brass Sindt.
What is chiff in this context? Fuzz, breathiness, tonal instability? Have you tried blowing softer? Find the ideal breath pressure for producing the ‘smoothest’ tone for each note.
Or does chiff mean chirp? Some chirp is desirable since the attack portion of the note is important in being heard.
I had a few Burkes and agree they sounded ‘pure’.
I’m aware that ‘chiff’ is an old topic, and it’s not my intent to reopen that discussion, but rather to understand the issue with whistle at hand.
Speaking of Sindts Paul, I haven’t put down the Sindt D with sterling silver tube I got for my birthday a year ago for any other whistle of that key. It’s very responsive and has nice moderate consistent volume. But here’s where I think we need to clarify a bit. I’m not sure if the writer wants chiffless or airless and which is the basis of “clean” here. The Sindt (I have several) has often been characterized as “traditional” sounding or a perfected Generation. If the accepted definition of chiff is that little extra sound upon impact of finger to tone hole, as from the term used for the church organ sound upon striking a note, and which I really like - then the Sindt is a bit chiffy. However, if we mean by clean or pure that there is not much air in the tone throughout playing. then yes the Sindt is indeed clean.
I just think these terms are always a bit confused because we mean different things - does pure equal bright (probably not); does clean equal bright (probably not); to me clean or pure means no airiness throughout, not necessarily chiffness.
Bottom line, I wouldn’t ignore a wonderful whistle like the Sindt because of other people’s definitions of tonal quality; they are terrific (we’re not related or business partners.)
The other whistle/flute player in our band just received a new tunable Colin Goldie high D that he showed off at last night’s session and it’s superb. Clear, clean, and pure, very responsive with a bit of chiff (defined as chirp or that extra sound when hitting or coming off the tone holes). Dead-on tuning and easy playing. Wonderful sounding/playing whistle and needs to be included in the discussion.
My old c1980 Feadog is incredibly sweet and pure-sounding, and Jerry Freemans’ tweaked Feadogs are very close to it. My old Feadog is too quiet for all but the softest sessions.
The Burke narrow bore D will give a sweet pure tone with a bit more volume, the session bore Burke D will give a bit more volume yet, but still sweet, not the somewhat blasting upper notes of the Susato D.
Having owned many Burkes, yes, they’re clean, but they’re nowhere near as pure as Rose, O’Riordan, or Susato. Burkes aren’t as loud as any of them either, although they are quite a bit louder than Dixons. If you want a pure, loud whistle, the Susato is a good choice that also won’t break the bank. The Susato D isn’t for the faint of heart, though, it needs to be played with gusto (very unlike the Dixon), but still if you don’t like it you’re out 20 bucks.
Thanks for all the advice! I didn’t mean to reopen any divisive arguments about sound quality. I’m just a newbie, so I don’t have all the nuances of the language. By chiff I meant the “breathy” or “rough” sound during the notes, not the “chirp.” It’s all personal preference as far as I’m concerned, but I happen to like clean, pure tones, more like the Dixon and less like the Clarke.
And I have noticed better sound from the Feadog as my technique improves, so I have no doubt some of the sound quality issue is with my playing. I’m not really ready to lay out the cash for a Burke, but I might give the Blackbird or one of the other recommendations a try.