Torrin Riáin passed this along. Not sure whether it’s surfaced here previously but hearing (purportedly) Paddy Moloney sampled for a rap number is, um, interesting to say the least. (Contains some “Not for Workplace” language.)
Best wishes.
Steve
“What? I genuinely mean there’s a screeching sound in the background of this track. Am I the only one hearing this? What the shit am I dying”
I know. Everyone’s a critic… (or at least that commenter) 
Best wishes.
Steve
Sampled off of the first 30 seconds of the Chieftains 7 album and pitched up a semitone: https://youtu.be/L_kNC6GyJFM
Forgive me for saying this, but I don’t dislike it nearly as much as I thought I would 
Lol!
I liked it! I like rap a lot: it’s much much harder to do well than people think and I thought he really found away to work of the feel of Maloney’s playing.
There was another “sampling” (outright theft)
of the chieftains from the mid 90’s. Someone
stole the lilter Pat Kilduff’s rendering of
The Hunter’s Purse. Sampling my ass.
An aside from the thread and for anyone’s academic interest Richard Shusterman addresses rap, hip-hop, and country music in Performing Live - Aesthetic Alternatives for the Ends of Art, Cornell University Press, 2000.
http://www.cornellpress.cornell.edu/book/?GCOI=80140100835360
Taking the music to another level and opening the piping oeuvre. 
Furthermore, I didn’t dislike the piece posted. 
(not meant to be a CP so posted only for the description)
I’ll pass, thanks
The law in the US, since 2005 and the case of Bridgeport must vs Dimension filcms, has been that any recognizable sample must be lisenced.
It’s hard to see what harm this does to Paddy Maloney. It surely did not stop a single person from buying Chieftains seven: in fact it’s more likely to have made people unfamiliar with the music look into it.
I like that it speaks to the complicated interplay of African American and irish traditions in the US., which is less well known than it should be. Thousands of African American in the US trace their families back to ireland: its extremely common. Interestingly, I’m actually a back man in the state in which I reside. it’s a comical and startling story of hw an immigrant from Donegal got to be a black man: http://theaporetic.com/?p=54
As far as sampling being theft, that seems to me to be a little unclear. Music is built on imitation–I’m currently studying Micho Russell’s whistle playing and incorporating his style into my own playing. Do I need to pay the estate of Micho every time I play “the Ten Penny Bit?”
One of my students did a short film about sampling a few years ago. I thought he made a good argument
On the subject of people sampling the Chieftains, here’s two more for anybody interested.
Timbaland and Magoo sampling Molloy’s flute playing. Sounds like Dunmore lasses off of Long Black Veil but I’m not certain:
NSFW language again
https://youtu.be/ywG1W-nKGR0
And something not rap:
The Christians sampling Women of Ireland off of Chieftains 4. 0:07 and throughout.
https://youtu.be/uqrQuNpgMyU
it wasn’t an offer but nice try.
I’m sure paddy and his band of
lawyers and accountants made
sure that everyone paid up for
the use. As for sampling, how
hard is it to come up with a similar
idea? Veiled theft even in the form of
blatant imitation at least is somewhat
more creative.
I’m with oleorezinator regarding this sampling rubbish.
“I like that it speaks to the complicated interplay of African American and irish traditions in the US., which is less well known than it should be. Thousands of African American in the US trace their families back to ireland: its extremely common. Interestingly, I’m actually a back man in the state in which I reside. it’s a comical and startling story of hw an immigrant from Donegal got to be a black man: http://theaporetic.com/?p=54” PB+J
What complicated interplay between African American and Irish traditions?
The link you gave PB+J was interesting in that it revealed an evil racism resident in the U.S. towards people of African descent that rivalled that of Nazi Germany’s attitude towards Jewish people
When I first saw the title of this thread, I misread it and thought it was Paddy Moloney rip, and I thought, oh no, not another. It’s been a tough year or so, in that sense. Thankfully, Paddy is still touring. The Chieftains website has them in Limerick next week, and in the US next February and March. 
Me too! Fffeeeyoooo!
LET ME BE PERFECTLY CLEAR ON THIS ONE:
I’M COMMENTING STRICTLY ON WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE
THE THEFT OF MUSIC FOR PROFIT NO MATTER WHAT HOW
THAT THEFT IS LABLED AND/OR PAID FOR LEGALLY OR OTHERWISE!
THAT AND ONLY THAT!!!
“LET ME BE PERFECTLY CLEAR ON THIS ONE:
I’M COMMENTING STRICTLY ON WHAT I CONSIDER TO BE
THE THEFT OF MUSIC FOR PROFIT NO MATTER WHAT HOW
THAT THEFT IS LABLED AND/OR PAID FOR LEGALLY OR OTHERWISE!
THAT AND ONLY THAT!!!” O.
Could you speak louder please, we can’t hear you at the back. 
How did so many African Americans get irish surnames? It’s not because paddy from the bog bought slaves. Im sure Irish immigrants did end up buying slaves, but not in large numbers. By 1850 a “prime” field hand cost roughly $60,000-70,000 modern dollars. Why were african American often described as playing jigs? Why is it tap dancing, understood as an african American art form in the US, and irish dancing both involve striking the floor to produce percussive effects?
The grotesque history of segregation in the US does its work in many ways, including obscuring the things different people shared. I’m not arguing for some kind of utopian history, but I am arguing that african Americans and irish people lived in close proximity and there was a great deal of cultural exchanged, much of which enduring present day racism still serves to obscure. Note this is not a novel or extreme position among historians of the US.
So a rap that incorporates a jig seems to me to be historically reasonable. Check out the Carolina Chocolate Drops as a band that sees the intersection clearly
How did so many African Americans get irish surnames? It’s not because paddy from the bog bought slaves. PB+J
Sorry you’re wrong PB+J. Check this out:
https://www.eurozine.com/slaves-to-a-myth/
…online registers of slaveowners with clearly Irish surnames who were compensated for the loss of their property in the Caribbean after the abolition of slavery there and in the United States after the defeat of the Confederacy. Some 539 Irish surnames were listed in an 1850 register of slaveowners in the United States. The number of slaves owned by those with such surnames rose from at least 99,129 in 1850 to 115,894 by 1860. Compensation records from 1834 for slaveowners in the West Indies identified 231 Irish surnames. These had owned 37,104 slaves. Many common Irish surnames were excluded from this analysis, including surnames that were also common in England and Scotland as well as Ulster-Scot surnames. The list of Irish slaveowners in the United States included the names of many Irish taoisigh (prime ministers) – Lynch, Haughey, FitzGerald, Ahern, Cowan and Kenny. It also included my own surname, Fanning. Some ninety-seven individual absentee slaveowners living in Ireland, who between them owned 15,869 slaves in British colonies, claimed compensation in 1834 when slavery was abolished. If you are of Catholic Irish descent the chances are your surname appears on one or other of these registers of slaveowners.
Right, the caribbean colonies are significantly different from the United States. you’re using evidence from a different country than the one I’m talking about
"Some 539 Irish surnames were listed in an 1850 register of slaveowners " As I said, I don’t disagree that some people with irish surnames owned slaves: that’s clearly true
“Some 539 Irish surnames were listed in an 1850 register of slaveowners in the United States. The number of slaves owned by those with such surnames rose from at least 99,129 in 1850 to 115,894 by 1860.”
I rest my case.
You should rest it–there were approximately four million slaves in the United states by 1860. What percentage of four million is 115,894?
I’m not sure what argument you are making. I already agreed that people with irish surnames owned slaves–that’s just an obvious fact. I argued instead that there is a long history of extensive interchange between african Americans and irish americans, most of whom were not slaveowners, and most of whom arrived very poor. I’m not sure why this assertion troubles you.