Phil Hardy said he ws sending out new chieftain V3’s to nine lucky people for the purposes of review. Any of those lucky people forum members? Just curious if you got them yet. I emailed Phil to see when the rest of us peons might be able to get our hands on them and he said this week!
It’s very pretty. Looks like a giant Q-1.
New Kerry Cheiftain
Alba’s Q-1 style
does…doesn’t it
I’ll be under my desk
I’m one of the lucky ones. I’ll be posting a review once I get my hands on it.
I suspect that the MK may have been an influence, though Phil has been using a similar design in his songbird high D’s for a while now.
http://www.gaeliccrossings.com/forums/viewtopic.php?p=19100#19100
The story gets hot here 
I am soo gonna regret this post, but here goes…
I understand that it sucks when someone takes your idea and then rudely refuses to give credit. But I don’t want to touch that aspect of this topic, as I simply do not know enough of the story, let alone the different sides of the story/stories… 
(I’d sooner join Denny under his desk)
But I just want to ask others, would buying a V3 keep you from buying an Alba later or vice versa? As a whistle consumer and fellow WhOA sufferer, it certainly wouldn’t stop me. I own both a Chieftain and an Overton, and generally don’t lose any sleep about it. 
I am no longer a regular poster but I just have this to say.
Out of respect for Overton (Bernard Colin and Brigitte) and others please do not get involved in this discussion. It’s quite clear where this conversation is headed. Some makers have already been through enough without having this discussion.
Please do not take offense.
Please lock this Dale if it continues, please.
Thank you!
Talbert
Memory could be playing up here but methinks Stacey has had a bleat about this sort of thing before.
As a product designer (as well as a whistle maker) and to reinforce the wonderfully erudite comments by Mitch on Gaelic Crossings, no product is ever really designed from scratch with a blank sheet. Inspiration comes from a variety of places and these elements are combined into a ‘new’ design - hopefully better in the whole than the sum of its individual parts.
I find it unacceptably arrogant for anyone to claim to tbe the ‘inventor’ of a particular feature of a whistle, especially when it comes to the fipple. The very essence of the instrument is the windway and the blade and the invention of this is lost in the murky depths of pre-history. Liken it to a car, there are any number of different forms of this ‘invention’ but they all have a wheel at each corner and one in the middle to steer it with. Automotive designers can play around with the wrapping but the principle remains the same and unassailable.
Alba’s configuration may have been innovative at the time but I cannot see how it can be claimed to be an ‘invention’ otherwise it would (should) have been Patented, and there are many makers out there who now use a similar principle - that of a chamfered edged tube forming the fipple blade. O’Brien and MK spring immediately to mind and I don’t hear them being vilified to the same extent as Phil. It is not possibpe to re-invent the wheel after all.
My own fipple designs are unique in that they are my own development of the principle but I cannot claim to have started from scratch, I have drawn on existing successes and continue to do so. Is that plagiarism? I think it would be difficult to prove.
I also suspect that there is an underlying agenda here, one that should be kept off the Forum!
I, for one, look forward to the arrival of the V3. (Oh, didn’t Motorola coin that one, shame on you Phil! 
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Memory could be playing up here but methinks Stacey has had a bleat about this sort of thing before.
As a product designer (as well as a whistle maker) and to reinforce the wonderfully erudite comments by Mitch on Gaelic Crossings, no product is ever really designed from scratch with a blank sheet. Inspiration comes from a variety of places and these elements are combined into a ‘new’ design - hopefully better in the whole than the sum of its individual parts.
I find it unacceptably arrogant for anyone to claim to tbe the ‘inventor’ of a particular feature of a whistle, especially when it comes to the fipple. The very essence of the instrument is the windway and the blade and the invention of this is lost in the murky depths of pre-history. Liken it to a car, there are any number of different forms of this ‘invention’ but they all have a wheel at each corner and one in the middle to steer it with. Automotive designers can play around with the wrapping but the principle remains the same and unassailable.
Alba’s configuration may have been innovative at the time but I cannot see how it can be claimed to be an ‘invention’ otherwise it would (should) have been Patented, and there are many makers out there who now use a similar principle - that of a chamfered edged tube forming the fipple blade. O’Brien and MK spring immediately to mind and I don’t hear them being vilified to the same extent as Phil. It is not possibpe to re-invent the wheel after all.
My own fipple designs are unique in that they are my own development of the principle but I cannot claim to have started from scratch, I have drawn on existing successes and continue to do so. Is that plagiarism? I think it would be difficult to prove.
I also suspect that there is an underlying agenda here, one that should be kept off the Forum!
I, for one, look forward to the arrival of the V3. (Oh, didn’t Motorola coin that one, shame on you Phil! )
Actually Susato beat everybody to that punch quite a while ago. So are we saying that Alba whistles just stole Susato’s basic design? Heck, did Hudson whistles steal from Copeland because of the tapered design?
Honestly, get over yourself. Unless he’s using the exact same dimensions as you, it’s really not worth all the uproar.
Please lock this thread.
IMHO I do not think it is appropriate for someone to request a thread be locked (as has accured twice in this thread) That is up to the moderators. This is a forum, a public place for open discussion of opinions. As long as no one gets nasty or vulgar, I fail to see why any discussion within topic should be shut down. I for one enjoy a heated discussion, and resent anyone telling me what I should or should not be able to discuss.
I think we are getting a little off topic here. I think the intent of the original poster is to get opinions or perhaps reviews of Phil’s new whistle. If the thread is locked, another one will come around when someone reviews Phil’s whistle and we’d again run the risk of it degenerating into something else. Learning about Phil Hardy’s new whistle version interests me, posts about how derivative it may be does not.
I don’t belive I have clamed that you must be confusing me with someone else 
You would be singing a differant tune if it was your whistles
in·no·va·tive
Function: adjective
Pronunciation: 'i-n&-"vA-tiv
: characterized by, tending to, or introducing innovations
Ha! You all ripped off recorder makers anyway 
Loren
Nice save Loren 
The thing is if others wanted to work with > my designs > I’m not one to worry about that too much it is nice when folk ask as more than one has , but it gets up my nose when people say this is there new model that they have > invented > when its plain to see the truth but they think they can Bull there way through because think folk will let them, if phil had realy came up with the song whatsit and the V thingie that surly when I said > Hey Thats my suff you are ripping off, > that would be slander of his good name and he would want to take recourse. so Why has he not errrrrr Daaaa! Si talia jungere possis sit tibi scire satis - If thou canst comprehend these things, thou knowest enough.
extract from Gaelic Crossings
Sorry if my interpretation of your words is not what you intended them to mean Stacey but I took this to be a veiled claim to ownership and was never meant to offend nor was the comment about arrogance aimed directly at you but at makers in general who claim ownership design features.
My whistles cannot claim to have the same level of perfection or respect as yours and if I should ever gain that respect, I would hope that I would have the good grace to accept that if my whistles were good enough for someone to want to use as the basis of of theirs, then that is complement enough, and instead of putting my energies into crying “foul” I would look at ways to improve my own work to keep ahead of the Pretenders. We can only ever improve on a pretty fixed formula and lets face it, there is not much to go on is there, a tube with 6 holes and a vibratey thing at the end that you stick in your mouth so in the end it comes down to aesthetics, sound quality (and THAT is a another debate altogether!) and the eye and ear of the beholder.
BLASPHEMY!
Oh, and incidentally, I am not sure that invention and innovation are really quite the same thing, or am I misreading the point behind the endpiece of the last post from Alba?
That was my point.
hey Loren, just think if you still had all the 2 cents!! you have thrown in, you would be an billianare now
I just noticed that these are in stock. Now that everyone has discussed what it looks like, I’d love to hear what you think about how it plays.