Smoot's Comprehensive Review of Phil Hardy's Low Ds

First I would like to lodge a formal complaint with the the mooderators of this board for abridging the actual title of this diatribe:
“Smoot’s Comprehensive Review of the KerryWhistle.com Low D Whistle, Specifically the Old Style (OS) and New Range (NR) Chieftain and the tunable Kerry Pro Low Whistle”.

I own 2 OS Chieftain Low Ds, 2 NR Chieftain tunables (one in Low D, other in Low F [thank you, Hornpiper]) and a recently purchased Kerry Pro Tunable Low D (from Big Whistle).

I purchased a Chieftain Low D some years ago that was on sale at the Whistle Shop as my first high end Low whistle. Considering I was new to whistling, I found playing it to be rather daunting. But thanks to many Sunday afternoon watching the Washington Redskins lose, I found myself familiarizing myself with it and I found I rather enjoyed it tho at the time I was content playing 3 blind mice. Once the fingering was accomplished, I found that the breath requirements were not bad at all (I have occasional bouts of asthma thanks to my wife’s cats) and since I play a lot of non-trad, I appreciated the fact that I could control the volume with ease. For example, I like “Old Friends/Bookends” by Paul Simon. It was relatively easy to play the basic notes with something resembling feeling.

But back in 2001-02 there was a bunch of “musicians” that said: “the Chieftain is a poor mans Overton” or “playing a Chieftain is like blowing a train horn”. What did I, a newbie, know?

So I ordered an Overton and after waiting a few months, I got one.

First, the Overton is an extremely excellent instrument and has a absolutely pure tone. I highly, highly recommend it to try.

However, it had a different fingering requirement than the Chieftain so it took me a while to get used to it. Further, upper G and above required more breath than I was used to compared to the Chieftain so after 3 months of playing it, I decided that I would rather play the OS Chieftain.
My wife protested, saying that the Overton sounded purer but being the man of the house, I put my foot down and prevailed.

So I stuck with the OS Chieftain.

I purchased a 2nd OS Chieftain from a fellow C&F’er and can tell you the sound is consistent.

Hornpiper put his NR Chieftains up for sale on this board, and I scarfed them up. Perhaps this was the legendary Phil Hardy Instrument that was getting the bad press…

The first time I played the NR Chieftain, I was impressed. It was subtly easier than the OS Chieftain. Fingering identical, upper register breath requirements LESS than the OS! So now I can hold that final note in upper G with what seems like 10 minutes in whistle time! And talk about a whistle that is begging for sliding notes! They came with particular ease

So now I am thinking: All of those people who were not saying decent things about Phil Kerry’s Whistles? Do they not know which end to blow?

So finally, I gots to get me Phil’s top of the line Low D, the Kerry Pro Tunable. (this must be the Phil Hardy Whistle those “musicians” think is a ripoff)

I get one after a one week wait (for shipping from UK to the US).

I will keep this simple:

The fingering is slightly different from the Chieftain but it is like moving from a 24" bike to 28"er. It takes about a few hours to get used to it then you are done.

The upper octave breath requirements are sliighty higher than the OS Chieftain.

The sound quality is pure, comparable to the Overton (in my wife’s opinion. Spouses, for better or worse, make great judges…sometimes)

Since I got it, I cant put it down

This is Phil’s top whistle: As far as I can tell, the only comparison between his whistle and an Overton is the mouthpiece design which is like comparing a $2.95 Generation with a Jerry Freeman tweaked Gen because they have similar mouthpieces. I am aware of the history of Phil Hardy and Overton, but this is now. As far as I can tell, they are distinctly different products.
Any discusssion otherwise is like a discussion with someone about the fact that gas prices are going thru the roof, and their only retort is “Well, I think Clinton lied…”


As long as I have owned KerryWhistles.com whistles, I have seen nothing but a consistently great product. I believe in his quality, as it suits my playing, that I am buying a complete set.

As far as I am concerned, anyone who thinks they are are an Overton ripoff has absolutely no idea of what they are talking about and is doing a disservice to the entire whistling community by spreading doggerel

Overtons are Overtons, and are great. Kerry Whistles are Phil Hardy whistles and are the best I have ever played.

In other words, Phil Hardy has put together a range of whistles that is consistent in fingering and breath control that is truly remarkable. If you start at his low end, you are sure you are dealing with a consistent product throughout.

I was hoping for some trick to controlling the volume. Sure, I can play the low register softly, but the high register is loud as heck when played in tune.

Thanks for the review, though. Too bad you’re missing a Songbird Low D…

Practice, monkey boy, practice

Well, I am so glad we finally got that one cleared up. I’d be shocked to learn that I was doing a disservice to only half the whistling community.

Thankfully, only half.

Seriously, you arent one of those blow-hards that post more than 2Xs a day with a pontifical air about penny-whistles like you actually know what you are talking about, one of those pundits that led me onto the primrose path of flageolets only to allow me to be hung up on the thorns of misconceptions. disinformation and misgivings?
:slight_smile:

You arent one of them, were you?

Stewy
Have you tried any from the Cheiftain Gold line? I have a bflat and a low D that are wonderfull.

And that’s why I love ye, Bloomie! :wink:

A strange comparison, since JF tweaked Gens are in fact based on regular Generations. To stay with the analogy, are you saying that the only comparison between a Kerry Pro and an Overton is that they look almost completely the same, and the KP is based on the Overton? :smiley:

I like Phil’s whistles a lot, and am not particularly religious about the whole Hardy/Overton controversy, but remove the maker’s mark and I’d be hard pressed to distinguish one from the other.

Cheers,
Jens

I got a Pro Low D from Phil as part of a whistlemaker’s trade (he got a Blackwood D), and I like it a lot. I have a Copeland low D too, and these are two totally different beasties. The Kerry Pro is daunting looking since it is so fat, but the aluminum is actually pretty light and easy to hold. The sound is terrific all the way up and down the range, and the whistle has a really warm sound. Not as edgy as the Copeland which is not a value judgement-- for some tunes I simply prefer one or the other, and that changes from day to day. Very nice whistle indeed.

Is anyone else having difficulty taking their eyes off Smoot’s avatar long enough to read the review?

There was a review?

:blush:

I must admit the avatar is quite distracting..not that I mind, of course :slight_smile:

How bout a textless Board? With Ad and Iz’s battle of the beguiling and sexy avatars and now Smut, er Smoot’s avatar, who needs the words. Just music and avatars…a dream world.

And just for the record, I think it’s great that people love the whistles they have..there was a sixties song, the theme of which was “love the one you’re with…”

Seriously though, I’ve only played one Hardy whistle in the last 5 years or so - a beautifully exotically painted Kerry - the regular production model with aluminum body and big plastic mouthpiece. I got it up at Andy’s Front Hall from a bunch of whistles they were just packing up for a show about 5 years ago. It plays really well with nice tone, I’ve never seen another paint job like that (which has remained immaculate), and wouldn’t part with that one, although I prefer to play the Copeland and the Burke Viper, both of which cost a good deal more.

A long time ago, I owned several production Chieftains - one was top notch, one was okay, and the third was perhaps the worst whistle that ever came off a production line. My fault as a beginner for not returning it. I therefore, adopted the very prevalent feeling at the time that Chieftains were “wildly inconsistent.”

Since then, the old Hardy-Overton licensing discussions notwithstanding, the talk about Hardy whistles of all types has seemed pretty positive.

One of the nicest things about our community of whistle smiths is their real desire and constant efforts to experiment and try new models and designs. Kudos all.

Geez, for a guy promoting a textless Board (throttling self and moving away from keyboard)…


Philo

I don’t know exactly when the whole Kerry/Overton mess occured, but I’m pretty sure I was only a little kid then. From the way things are currently though, I think Chieftains do deserve much respect. Phil gave me a Low D Chieftain NR, and I really love it. I’ve gotton many positive remarks about it from just listeners and very accomplished trad musicians. The Chieftain is my first and only Low D, and I was really daunted by it at first. (I can stick my pinky through the 5th hole and touch the back of the tubing with room to spare. :boggle: ) I can do pipers grip on it (on really good days), but I still prefer to use normal fingering, especially since as someone else said, the slides are really cool on this thing.

My opinion probably doesn’t count for much, but I really love my Chieftain, especially the way it can “sing” so nicely.

BTW- just curious (not that I actually have the money to buy any), but what are the real differences in the NR, OS, and KerryPro designs. In all the pictures I see they all look kinda alike.

I’ve got reviews of the Chieftain old style and new style both on my website at http://www.tinwhistler.com/music/reviews.asp

But to sum up, the old style was more cloggy and less responsive than the new style, and was perhaps more more mellow. The OS took a lot more warming up to be in tune, and constant attention to keeping it warm…if I played mine at a gig, I’d need to sit on it or tuck it in my shirt a tune or two before playing, so it’d be in tune.

I got a Kerry Songbird low D last week, and will have my review of it up around Mondayish, but the long and short of it is: somehwere between the NS and OS Chieftains…more mellow than the new style, without being as slow to respond as the old style chieftain.