On 2003-02-08 05:02, wizzy wrote:
What utter Tosh!
If you are going to clam to have made your own whistle, you have to make it all. Not just drill six holes in a bit o pipe.
By the way the B hole is in the wrong place.
Utter Tosh⌠is he any relation to Peter Tosh, the late reggae musician?
Whatâs the matter Stacey⌠did you wake up on the wrong side of the broomstick this morning? :roll:
By the way, do yourself a favor and get a spell checker⌠this is a clam:
Itâs cute, but not nearly as cute as Beth⌠and it doesnât have a thing to do with whistles.
On 2003-02-08 11:24, Zubivka wrote:
Maybe youâre slightly overreacting, AvaâŚ
Yeah, I know, thatâs a characteristic of mine in stressful times Just because I recognize it doesnât mean I manage to avoid it all the time.
Having one critical answer out of two pages doesnât mean :
a) anyone complained of his wasting his time
b) you should exert seppuku on your own threadâŚ
Eh, there was some non-thread stuff as well and I didnât feel like accumulating any more.
I donât think there is a serious chance of being able to support myself as a whistlemaker, but Iâm not ruling it out. In the farewell style of the Chiffy Chatroom:
âAvaâs whistle rocked. Maybe it will be back someday.â
Beth, donât let a few mean-spirited jealous comments get you down. Remember what happened when Serp first started posting? Most of the comments about your whistle and how it sounds were really good. Donât let the bad ones stop you. People like that are often angry at themselves or something, and get by only by stealing energy from others.
My wife, Cindy has a home-sewing business that has been coming together for a few years. Before she came to the U.S. she had a huge 24/7 daycare center in Southeast China. To make a long story short, it burned her out really bad. She was on sabbatical here in the States when we met.
Anyway, when we got married, I told her that she needed do do whatever it is that she wants to do. (she had spent 12 years or so at the grindstone. I told her to follow her passions regardless of whether or not there was any money in it or what others thought about it. I told her to simply make sure that she did something that made her happy.
We got her a sewing machine and she got a part-time job at Hancock Fabrics for 4 years so she could learn. All along she kept telling me how much she loves sewing. Sometimes she stays up till 3-4 in the morning creating stuff. You should see the things she can now make. I canât believe it! She really has a gift.
Despite people hinting that she should âgo back to workâ or âget a real jobâ I encouraged her to ignore them and it was nobodyâs business what she did for a living. I told her to stick to her guns.
She did, and now her little business is starting to really become something. I can not tell you how wonderful it has been to see her blossoming into the career that she is meant to be doing. Within a year or so I imagine she will be opening a little studio outside the home.
Sorry for rambling, but I have a lot of passion for this issue. I just think that if someone does what they love for a living the results can be fantastic. Just look at OâRiordan - Copeland - Goldie and others like them.
On 2003-02-08 05:02, wizzy wrote:
What utter Tosh!
If you are going to clam to have made your own whistle, you have to make it all. Not just drill six holes in a bit o pipe.
By the way the B hole is in the wrong place.
Utter Tosh⌠is he any relation to Peter Tosh, the late reggae musician? >
Whatâs the matter Stacey⌠did you wake up on the wrong side of the broomstick this morning? :roll:
By the way, do yourself a favor and get a spell checker⌠this is a clam:
Itâs cute, but not nearly as cute as Beth⌠and it doesnât have a thing to do with whistles. >
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What do I need a spell checker for when I have folks like you.
Whatâs the matter Stacey⌠did you wake up on the wrong side of the broomstick this morning? :roll:
Na just a wee bit o tough love! the kind I get around here all the time.
Alba an tobar bho bheil gach buaireadhaâ sruthadh Scotland the source whence all temptations flow.
[ This Message was edited by: wizzy on 2003-02-08 12:15 ]
You in no way deserved the bitter and immature remarks that your accomplishment attracted.
If these bitter folks had any real sense, they would apologize, for you are one of the consistently nicest people here, and you contribute greatly to the best parts of this board.
In the hopes you will continue your experiments with whistle making,
Paul, the comments made were not JEALOUS comments.
Beth, you are overreacting. Yes, everyone knows that you are sweet and cute and quite capable. If your subject line had been âI modified this whistle!â it would have been impressive and cute and totally true. It was the lie that bothered me.
I donât want to discourage your whistle-making at all. I think you could learn to make whistles. I was calling you on misleading people.
I would like to see the picture again, and I would like access to the MP3 too, because they were cool.
Good on ya Beth for taking the first steps in learning a different - and rewarding craft. Iâll echo that the others who posted so negatively have no idea what it really is that you have done, nor do they understand your intent.
But let them rant and rave and belittle. The rest of us love you, and we know exactly what it is that youâve done - yes that includes Mack too.
We think youâre awesome period - some of us are blessed to know that first-hand. Keep it up!
B~
Edited to comment on what has been said directly below: I donât know what âhelpâ Iâm giving Beth. She seems to have gained favor in enough peoples eyes (and hearts)here on her own. I just find it interesting that thereâs only really two of you who feel âinjuredâ at her âlieâ which you also seem to feel was somehow directed at you. No need to get defensive when there isnât any threat to be defensive about, you see?
Wow. Move along folks - nothing more to see here. :roll:
[ This Message was edited by: Brian Lee on 2003-02-08 18:39 ]
On 2003-02-08 12:53, Brian Lee wrote:
Good on ya Beth for taking the first steps in learning a different - and rewarding craft.
I agree completely.
Iâll echo that the others who posted so negatively have no idea what it really is that you have done
Huh? We know you love Beth, but this statement is hogwash.
Yeah, Brian, I have too many whistles, I have posted too many pictures, etc. Beth and I are not dissimilar in our participation on this board (although she posts far more often and I get angry more often). She is really cool and she doesnât need false praise. There is so much about her that is worthy of valid praise. She is an excellent whistler, an active traveller, a good friend to a lot of people, and a very creative person, on the lathe and otherwise. But she drilled holes in a tube, and all the people who had negative comments can understand it quite easily. Drilling holes in a tube to improve a whistle is ABSOLUTELY interesting and cool, but itâs not making a whistle. Her choice of words, not her whistle modification, led to the negative comments.
When you defend something that doesnât need to be defended and you say things that are not true AND not necessary, you are not helping her.
As a new builder (and whistler) I can attest to the fact that it is not simply drilling holes in a tube. I donât care to count the useless out of tune pipes lying around hereâŚ
Great job on your whistle, it sounded really good and in tune. Iâm sure that youâll be creating your own mouthpieces as well in the near future and if they are of the same quality, I will be very interested in hearing them!
Since my name has been taken in vain WRT getting started in whistlesmithing, and since I am rapidly becoming the Ultimate Expert in the effective use of Pete Koselâs âflutomatâ for tuning tubes, please allow me to offer the following bit of Serpent Wisdom:
By definition, a (tunable) whistle is comprised of a head, which does the splitting of an airstream, and a tube, or body, which does the work of tuning and containing most of a resultant vibrating column of air.
What Beth made was, indeed, a whistle. It does not matter that she didnât fabricate the head. A lot of whistlesmiths (Howard, Gen, etcâŚ) use injection-molded heads, some of which are likely jobbed out. Nobody here denies that the resulting products are whistles.
Iâm a silversmith. Does the fact that I had someone else cast a pendant from my design, and assembled a necklace from purchased chain and a commercial catch, make the resulting product any less a necklace that I fabricated?
(edit) sorry, been havinâ my ideas bucked up offline - make that read ââŚany less a necklace that I fabricated and <font +=2>designed?â (emphasis mine) (/edit)
serpent
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[ This Message was edited by: serpent on 2003-02-09 11:18 ]
Actually I do think it was unfair to state that JessieK and wizzy made their comments due to jealousness or any nastiness. What in the world do they have to be jealous about? One is a whistle maker, and I understand the other has made quite a few flutes in her time. They just felt that Bethâs caption was not accurate or precise enough. As someone who has made a few whistles (the whole thing) and a few unfinished ruined ones, I do agree that the mouthpc part of the whistle is the most difficult part to do right.
On the other hand, most people would just have taken Bethâs post to be her reporting the results of her first foray into whistle-making. If Iâm not mistaken, the C&F siteâs links to plans for making âwhistlesâ, has at least one which teaches you to make only the barrel, for use on a Sweetone mouthpc.
Seen on that level, I donât think Bethâs post or caption was particularly misleading.
tuaz, making her first post on a potentially controversial thread
I donât think Jessie and wizzy made their comments due to jealousies or any nastiness. What in the world do they have to be jealous about? One is a whistle maker, and I understand the other has made quite a few flutes in her time. They just felt that Bethâs caption was not accurate or precise enough. As someone who has made a few whistles (the whole thing) and a few unfinished ruined ones, I do agree that the mouthpc part of the whistle is the most difficult part to do right.
On the other hand, most people would just have taken Bethâs post to be her reporting the results of her first foray into whistle-making. If Iâm not mistaken, the C&F siteâs links to plans for making âwhistlesâ, has at least one which teaches you to make only the barrel, for use on a Sweetone mouthpc.
Well it would seem that I have put my foot in my mouth again!
First I would like to apologise To Beth as others have all ready said in this thread my comments were not made out of any bad feelings to Beth, but rather that I felt the title of the thread was misleading.
How ever I donât think I was total unreasonable or that I broke any of the rules of the board. I have in the past had a lot of worse things said to me on this board.
It was not intended to start any more {FLAME WARS} I just called it as I saw It.
But now this!
Hello,
If you (as 'wizzy") donât stop pissing in other peopleâs cornflakes
on the whistle forums, Iâll delete your account. You get no further
warnings.
The specific example is your behavior in this thread:
Let it never be said that I donât know when Iâm not welcome, so rather wait until Iâm pushed I will Jump now.
I am out of here, and donât worry I wonât let the door bump me on the way out.
On 2003-02-09 03:58, Zubivka wrote:
Agreed, Bill. See, here I tweaked an old head into something different. A Picasso Bullâs head, to pay my dues.
Now I have the original Zoob Moose head. And, thanks to my Flutomat tuning, the Brooks seat, er, plays ? perdatonic scale but in tune to itself.
Zoobster, you are, far and away, one of the funniest durn people on this board! If more people would follow your lead with real humour rather than sniping and sarcasm, we would be one happy community, indeed! I bow to your laugh-at-yourself-generating capabilities. In my book, you Da Man!!!
serpent
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Just because I recognize it doesnât mean I manage to avoid it all the time. 
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