marathon training

I really did it and entered a Marathon, which is taking place on October 26. This will be my first, so I’m more excited than I really ought to be. I thought I’d start a thread about training and post every so often, probably more as fall approaches.

I did do track and field in high school, although I was mostly a field (weights and broad/triple jump) guy till my last two years, when I started sprinting. In college my primary sports were volleyball and basketball, but I had to give these up at the age of 19 due to multiple shoulder dislocations. Running was basically the only good exercise left to me that I really enjoyed, and one really doesn’t go out and sprint, so I’d run a couple of miles on occasion.

I started doing a little more distance in my 20’s, but developed this swelling on my knee, so I took a year off. I started cycling, which didn’t do the swelling any good, but I found that moderate cycling and running in conjunction were bearable. Then, several years later, I tore some cartilage and saw an orthopedist about it. He said don’t sweat the cartilage (I had my knee scoped six months later), but the knee with the swelling on it needed attention, which was physical therapy.

The PT was a miracle – I was suddenly able to run waaaay more than I ever had before. Over the next couple of years, I built up to maybe 20 miles a week, always taking a month or so off in the winter to let the knees recover. They’re an issue, and I go to PT every couple of years to get the inflammation down, but as my doctor said, it’s irritating, not debilitating.

So I’ve done a couple of half-marathons and 10-milers in the last couple of years, and decided, at the tender age of 47, to do a marathon this year. One thing I did last year, when I started adding a long weekend run to my weekly training, was start cycling 2-3 days a week. My knees were balking at 30-35 mile weeks, so I scaled back the weekday running to 2 days and added in 12 mile rides 2-3 times a week. I make sure not to do two days in a row of cycling or running as long as it’s biking (>70 degrees) weather. That way I was able to build up to runs of 10-14 miles on the weekend, and last October my knees felt better than they had for a couple of years.

So I started to do long runs and started biking this spring in preparation for the marathon. I built up to about 18 miles a few weeks ago, before the hot weather hit. I figure this will make it easier to build up in the late summer/fall. I’ve talked to lots of people, who have said anything between “You have to do runs of 24-25 miles” to “Ah, you can run 14, you’ll be fine” when giving marathon training advice. I will really really d my best to do at least 20 before the race, preferably 22 also.

As an aside, I remember seeing Rita Rudner many years ago, talking about her friends’ stories of their labors. One woman had been in labor something like 20 hours, on which Rita remarked, “I don’t even want to do anything that feels GOOD for 20 hours.” 18 miles for me is about 3 hours; I suspect most people find it absolutely insane that anyone would do something grueling like running for 3 hours. I certainly question my sanity in that third hour. OTOH, after running 3 hours I went out and did a bunch of yard work, which made me feel really good about the marathon.

Oh, and as I had mentioned before, I’ll be trying to drop a few pounds – I’ve dropped 5, and my body can tell already. I absolutely need to drop 5 more, preferably 10.

So that’s my ramble for today. If anyone has read the whole thing, you have my thanks and apologies for going on and on.

Edited for cross-cultural compatibility.

Is that going to be the Corps run? I have a good friend who loves that run, partly because nobody in his age class ever runs it and they treat everybody real well!

At least give us an address to send the flowers. Nyuk.

Seriously, good luck. Why the hell not, I say!!! Go for it.

I’ll be thinking of you as I lie in my hammock, well-snacked and beveraged.

You have my admiration, support and…err… sympathies.

Oh…let’s see…training advice. My brothers all run marathons. Seems like they do a lot of jogging first. :slight_smile:

Enjoy!

Doc

Best of luck with it all. Rather you than me..

Slan,
D.

So can sprints be a good part of long distance running or is it counter productive?

Is a free T-shirt really worth all that?

Yeah, it’s the Marine Corps marathon. I know several people who run it, including one who’s run it around 30 times.

I sure as hell hope it will be one of those sweat-wicking shirts, not a plain-old T-shirt. :wink:

Just a short update. I did some long runs in the spring, up to 3 hours (probably 17-18 miles), before the heat really hit. I tried to go out for 10 or so every couple of weeks to maintain. Now I’ve begun the real training. Been out for 12-14 miles each of the last three weekends, I’d like to start building up now. In the spring I found the 14-16 step the biggest, 16-18 was no problem. It’s 11 weeks to the race; conventional wisdom has it that I should be running 20 about 4 weeks prior and back off the last few weeks. One week between now and then will be at the in-law’s, where there’s really no place to run, and one week is a half-marathon race, which I wouldn’t want to miss, but will skip if need be. But that still gives me 5 weeks to add three 2-mile segments. Shouldn’t be a problem at all.

It’s really beginning to look like I’ll do this!

training for and running a marathon is a major endurance test even when one is young and in the best of health. you certainly have my respect and good wishes. :thumbsup:

I just finished the half, a little disappointed. I missed last year’s time by 8 minutes, but it was something like 80 degrees and 90% humidity at race time. I still managed to run 13 miles at about a 9 minute mile pace, which is a minute faster than I’ll be shooting for in the first half of the marathon. I’m also a little sore, which is unusual.

So hopefully 18 miles next weekend and 20 the weekend after, then tapering off the following two weeks.

I’m just praying for cool weather and plentiful sleep.

Don’t dwell on your most recent race… It’s a building block towards MCM. I’ve run MCM twice, and both times had miserable races… the first time was my first marathon and I was WOEFULLY undertrained. It was VERY hot and humid, and aid stations were running out of water towards the end. The next year I was using it as a training run for Philly and I ran with a friend and his sister (HER first `thon). It started raining about 5 minutes before the howitzer fired and never stopped. It poured and was cold and miserable. I ran about an hour slower than my normal pace and ended up trashing my knees.

I’ve since had great marathons (Philly 2000 was a good one) and bad. I also finished 2 Ironman triathlons. Move on from your most recent race and stay focused on the goal. Enjoy the experience!

Speed is an integral part of a distance program. You don’t have to do hard, short efforts to finish a marathon, but if you want to get faster and be a stronger runner, all training programs should incorporate some speedwork. When I did more serious training, I did a weekly track workout, a group run with the fast guys in SD (it was a recovery day for them, so they’d keep it slow, about a 6 minute/mile pace which seriously taxed me…) and regular hill repeats.

You can also do “fartlek” training (literally, Speed Play) where you just throw in some short hard efforts in a regular run… Something like “I’m going to sprint to the next stop sign” type of efforts. It helps keep your legs loose.

Thanks for the excellent posts, Mark. No way I’m dwelling on today’s race – as you pointed out, it’s just a tuneup. I normally do long training runs at a ~10 minute pace, so in a way I’m pleased that I was able to do a half at a pace a little over 9. It’s also a little tougher course than the Marine Corps, especially that it’s on narrow trails for the most part.

Now I wanna hit the wall in a couple of weeks. :wink:

It must be a grand thing to be fit…

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamshire/7615694.stm

Be careful out there..

Slan,
D.

It happens, sadly… I was running the La Jolla Half Marathon and the race was on the toughest climb, up Torrey Pines (the park road, not the car one, which is much less steep than what we were running). There was a man (obviously very fit, but probably in his early 50s). We had chatted earlier in the race, and then I had to heed a “call to nature.” On the climb I recognized him and used him as a target to bridge up. As I passed him I said hello. I immediately heard a shuffling step and turned to watch him fall forward as if someone turned off a switch. His gaze was fixed and he did not put his hands forward to arrest his fall. I was certain then that he was gone immediately. Those behind him stopped to aid him while I pushed hard to make it to the aid station at the top of the hill. I let them know that they needed to get EMTs there quick. Since there was nothing else for me to do, I kept running.

In the paper the next day they reported that he was pronounced dead at the scene. I think he must have had an aneurysm let go or something similar. I’d bet that he had no clue there was anything wrong, as he was running strong when I caught him. If you gotta go, that would be how I’d choose.

Fit people die. Unfit people die. I figure that being fit makes me happy and may help me live longer, but if not, I feel I’ve done what I can.