Lunasa concert last Saturday evening

We took the family to the Lunasa concert at the Coronado Theater, in Rockford, Illinois, last Saturday, and I thought to offer a review of the performance for those who may be interested. Obviously, my impressions are entirely subjective and I’m sure there are those who may not agree with my assessment. That’s as it should be.

The Coronado is worth going to see in its own right, let alone the concert. The decor seems to date from the early 1900s, and is heavily ornate. It is perhaps easiest to think of it as an enhusiastic re-interpretation of rococo. There are statues of Venus rising from the sea, cockel-shell and all, and the walls are done in shades of gold dripping with decoration. The chandeliers have to be seen to be believed: ‘Georgeous’ somehow doesn’t quite say it, though they are by no means graceful. There is an abundance of crystal and stained glass. The auditorium is intended to give the impression of being out-of-doors, complete with twinkling stars in the ceiling. It has faux buildings lit within and without along the walls to heighten the effect, and away from the arch of the stage this decoration is markedly asymmetric. The special boxes are integral with this ‘building’ impression, and the occupants look out through ‘windows’ in the facade. I found the place to be endlessly fascinating.

The musicians are excellent as individuals, but I found the band to be unexceptional for reasons that will be clearer below. There are five members of the group, but I can remember only one name – that of Cillian Vallely – as I write. He, of course, is the uillean piper, and also plays whistle. The others include a flautist/whistler, a fiddler/whistler, a guitarist, and an electric bass player ( bowed, fretless ). Because it is an electric bass there is only the neck without a sound chamber – which I found mildly disconcerting. I referred to it as a “disembodied bass” because it gives the unsettling impression that something vital is missing.

The music had a sameness to it as the evening progressed, in part because the band lacks a vocalist to add variety, but there was more. I couldn’t quite put my finger on the problem until it came time for the encore and the piper returned to do a solo slow air ( … if that’s not redundant ). I turned to my wife and said “this is the best we’ve heard all evening.” As he finished the piece, which was excellent, the flautist and the fiddler came out and joined in a faster piece. The music continued wonderful, lively, lilting, well-defined. Then the guitarist and the bassist joined in and it all went muddy again. The guitar is an amplified acoustical instrument, played loud, aggressively, with a driving beat, and it washes the character out of the tunes. The base is also played relatively loudly, and between the two of them they aren’t helping – in my humble opinion. Unfortunately, the guitarist is also the group’s composer so I can’t imagine there will be much of a change coming, but they really should turn his volume down.

It was quite worth the trip and the price of admission, but we obviously didn’t find them to be as exciting as other groups we’ve seen.

Kevin Crawford - flute
Sean Smyth - fiddle
Donough Hennessey - guitar
Trevor Hutchinson - bass.

:wink:

Thanks Bloomfield! Darned if I could remember them.

Those disembodied basses…
When I first saw one on a stand waiting to be played, I cringed. The sound, though, was surprisingly phenomenal, in my opinion. The bass player was accompanying Natalie McMaster and I liked the sound.

The thing does look painfully odd.


Jef

Hmmm… perhaps the mixing was done poorly. Lunasa, in my several experiences seeing them live, have been rediculously good.
Chris

Jeferson:

Those disembodied basses…
When I first saw one on a stand waiting to be played, I cringed. The sound, though, was surprisingly phenomenal, in my opinion. The bass player was accompanying Natalie McMaster and I liked the sound.

I agree. The sound didn’t have that hard “electronic” edge to it, as an electric guitar does, and I liked the tone. It was just turned up too loud.

ChrisLaughlin:

Hmmm… perhaps the mixing was done poorly. Lunasa, in my several experiences seeing them live, have been rediculously good.

Yup, that was undoubtedly it. I wonder if it is normally that way?

Hennessy does whack that guitar most vigorously, though. He got his pick caught a couple of times – I heard the ‘twang’ – and eventually one of the sets came to a premature end when he broke a string.

Hennessy is know for playing rather vigorously on his road guitar (A small bodied Lowden S32C), so much so that he has apparently dug a couple of holes into the body. Maybe he needs to turn his monitors up a bit :slight_smile:

Donogh aparently also plays whistle, though perhaps not live with the band. It’s been reported that he has been known to show up at the odd session now and again with a Grinter whistle when he doesn’t feel like toting his guitar. Geeze, is there anyone in that band that doesn’t play whistle? (Probably all of them much better than any of us.)

Loren


[ This Message was edited by: Loren on 2002-03-12 15:42 ]

I hate that when the accordion player or whoever pulls out a whistle plays the Gravel Walk in perfect time at ripping speed. :frowning: My only comfort is that the bodhran players are always really bad whistlers…

I’ve heard that they used to do low-F whistle trios (Kevin, Sean, Donough), but they didn’t when I saw them last year. When Donough broke a string, they did a truly lovely, very-trad set with Sean, Kevin & Cillian.

I love their driving sound, produced by the bass & guitar. It took me quite a bit of listening before I got a sense of how complex their music is. Donough is a terrific musician, and I love his accompanyment. I think the little bridges that they put between tunes are great.

Isn’t it amazing how difficult it can be to convince a musician that they’re playing is too loud? Our group is often accompanied by a guitar player who plays well but, frankly, too loud for the rest of us. We have the guy in the sound booth gently nudge him quieter through the first few numbers. I’m with you, Loren, and think the solution lies in a powerful monitor that only he can control.

Jef

That is, unless someone dares try to tell me that I’m the one who is too loud :wink:

Loren:

Hennessy is know for playing rather vigorously on his road guitar (A small bodied Lowden S32C), so much so that he has apparently dug a couple of holes into the body. Maybe he needs to turn his monitors up a bit > :slight_smile:

Certainly some constructive feedback of one sort or another would probably help. :wink: Perhaps as they season a bit, these things will work themselves out.

Geeze, is there anyone in that band that doesn’t play whistle? (Probably all of them much better than any of us.)

No argument there! They played a few tunes in which all three of the whistlers were playing at once, and I thought they were some of the better ones.

After they become more seasoned?!? LOL! They have 3 albums, are working on their fourth, and Kevin and Sean both have solo albums. Donogh and Trevor played with the Sharron Shannon band for a while and have been featured elsewhere and Cillian is a member of one of the most respected traditional Irish music families in existence.
Granted, Lunasa is certainly NOT your grandfather’s Irish music, but every member of the band is a true master of what they do and the sound they make is very intentional. I recommend listening to their three albums to hear the range of what they are capable of, as well as listening to Sean and Kevin’s solo albums(“The Blue Fiddle”, “The D Flute Album” and “In Good Company”), Sean’s playing on “Music at Matt Molloy’s” and Kevin’s playing with Moving Cloud and Raise the Rafters. It should also be noted that Lunasa’s sound was very much defined by original members Mike McGoldrick and John McSherry, who have recently recorded a beautiful album together.
Best,
Chris

ChrisLaughlin:

After they become more seasoned?!? LOL! They have 3 albums, are working on their fourth, and Kevin and Sean both have solo albums. Donogh and Trevor played with the Sharron Shannon band for a while and have been featured elsewhere and Cillian is a member of one of the most respected traditional Irish music families in existence.

Sure, that’s what I said initially: Individually they are excellent musicians, but as a band – in that performance, which is what I have to go on – they were unexceptional. I’ll admit the possibility that what they’re doing is deliberate, but they’re not blending well – at least outside the studio. That’s a problem, in my opinion.

Jef,

The monitor crack was just that, a joke as you are no doubt aware :slight_smile: Donogh just likes to play hard and in an amplified situation, that’s really no problem. The problem lies with the soundman mucking up his job of getting the mix right, or having some unusual circumstances that prevented him from getting it right. Chances are 99% that the mix on stage was fine and the boys had no idea the bass and guitar were too loud out front, not their fault, no matter how hard or soft Donogh was playing.

Sometimes certain rooms can be a real nightmare for the person(s) running the soundboard, and try as they might they can’t get the band to sound right no matter what they do. Perhaps for some reason the band didn’t get time for a proper sound check before the gig, or maybe they had to use sound reinforcement equipment that the soundman was unfamiliar with, could be any number of things. I seriously doubt it was simply a matter of the guitar and bass player physically playing their instruments too loud - I mean the whole band was running through the P system so it was up to the sound man to turn the guitar and bass volume down and adjust the EQ.

Neil, Lunasa has been around as a group for several years now and have played hundreds if not a thousand gigs. I doubt it’s a matter of seasoning (more paprika perhaps?) most likely the combination of a bad mix and (no offense intended I swear) your unfamiliarity with their music left you with the bad impression. Would I be correct in guessing that you don’t own all their CD’s, or if you do that you haven’t listened to them a bunch? IME, the combination that will leave someone with the worst impression of a band is the combination of lack of familiarity with the specific tunes being played, coupled with a bad audio mix - No way any reasonable person is going to thoughly enjoy hearing music they don’t know, played too loud, too muddy, poorly EQ’d, or all of the above.

Lunasa in general have gotten rave reviews all over the world for their live show, so I’m just wondering if you might have just been unlucky enough to have had thatexperience of not knowing the music plus catching them at a show where the mix was unusually bad. Just a thought.

Loren

On 2002-03-12 15:57, Bloomfield wrote:
I hate that when the accordion player or whoever pulls out a whistle plays the Gravel Walk in perfect time at ripping speed. > :frowning: > My only comfort is that the bodhran players are always really bad whistlers…

Maybe so but Danu’s bodhran player is a pretty good piper. I wouldn’t be too surprised if he could play the whistle well too.

Steve

Neil,
I’m sorry you saw a poorly mixed performance, and I’m sure that’s what it was. I’ve seen Lunasa plenty of times and they’ve been nothing short of phenomenal. I’ve also seen concerts that were ruined by bad mixing - Capercaillie and Cherish the Ladies comes to mind. Both those groups were phenomenal when the sound was done right. Basically what I’m trying to say is that Lunasa is a dang good band and it’s not their fault they didn’t blend. They have plenty experience doing what they do and doing it darn well. If they sounded off it was either because the mixing was bad or because they were having a bad night. I’d see them again if I were you. I can almost guarantee it’ll be a better experience.
Chris

"My only comfort is that the bodhran players are always really bad whistlers… "

Not to mention that Kevin, the flute and whistle player in Lunasa, is an absolutely phenomenal bodhran player.

Also, James McNally, the incredible whistle player from Afro-Celt sound system, is mindblowing on the bodhran. As a side note, some of you may have heard James’ horrible solo CD. I read in an interview with him that he was forced into making it as part of his contract (with Sony I think) and that he can’t stand it and doesn’t consider it part of his work. Sony wanted a New-age/crossover album and that’s what he gave them, a crappy new-age/crossover album.

A note about everyone in the band playing whistle - Sean won the All-Irelands on the whistle back in the day, Cillian’s brother is a massive whistle and flute player (and almost all pipers are a good crack at the whistle) and about a year ago Kevin decided to teach Donogh and Trevor how to really play the whistle. I was at a workshop with them last winter and Kevin had a good laugh about the idea of five whistles all going at once.
Chris

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[ This Message was edited by: ChrisLaughlin on 2002-03-12 16:51 ]

Just another thought, that in addition to the mix/monitor problem there may also be a problem with the building. Some venues seem to equalize the sound affectively, while others seem to get sound hot spots. It is almost like all the base settles in one spot in the building, if you like base, its the place to sit, otherwise every time you sit there, you’ll wish the mixer/sound engineer would adjust the volume down. I heard Lunasa a couple of years ago and they where well mixed; however, they were playing an outside festival and I was sitting dead center towards the back.

Loren and Chris,

I’ll cheerfully take your word for it, that the band had a bad mix that night. Certainly it can happen. It’s a shame that it did.

Loren,

You’re right; that’s the first time I had heard them. It did leave me with a less-than-good impression, but I’ll have another go and see if that changes. No, I don’t have any of their CDs, and no, I didn’t take any offense. :wink:

I have seen them one time a few weeks back. I thought they were amazing. I was struck by how often they would call out for thier monitor to be adjusted with another members volume. Donogh and Cillian more then the others.

I will say though that I wasn’t into Trevor’s tone. I thought it was muddy. Soundmen seem to be obsessed with getting a subsonic rumble in any situation. Those electric basses need to be EQ’d just right or else they can bring a wall down.

All in all my show was incredible.

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