I just got a new low F made by Maurice Reviol,
tunable in black anodised aluminium,
which plays nicely, with a strong bottom end and
easy top end. I don’t know how to characterize the tone,
it is quite clear with a little bit of “fuzz”,
a little less focussed than my Overton low G,
a bit more complex in tone.
I enjoy it, and it likes to played expressively,
if that makes sense.
No google; just used the forum search here. Nearly any thread I have seen about Low Fs undoubtedly mention the mythical Grinter Low Fs so I just searched for “grinter” and “low” as keywords. There’s a method to the madness.
I bought a Kerry Pro Low F not too long ago, and I know we will be partners for a long, long time. It´s a magnificent whistle in all aspects. I haven´t tried an Overton yet, but from what I read, they shouldn´t stray too far apart from the Kerry Pro, and vica verca. Phil has at least two for sale at the moment, for £150. A pretty good deal if you ask me, especially since the Chieftain V3 series is more expensive at the moment. And I would choose a Kerry Pro over a Chieftain any day.
Check out some of Michal Mcgodricks playing. He has quite a handful of Low F songs in his usual live set.
I am sure that somewhere in this great mass of Chiffposts (maybe even the ones listed above), I’ve said something about my deep and abiding love for my Alba Low F. It was a cheap trick by a friend of mine, really. He once had an online store, and I ordered an Alba Low G from him. Since he was out of stock, he sent me the Low F to play with while I waited. Naturally, I fell in love with it. It had this hauntingly sweet, chiffy, overton-ish sound to it. Plus, the fipple was sky blue with a swirl of white in it – very cloudlike.
I wasn’t happy having to send it back. And I never had the money to buy it. HOWEVER, when I finally left the company I’d been with for six years, several of my coworkers chipped in and bought it for me as a going away gift! What a great lot they were. So yeah, it’s got a great deal of sentimental value as well.
I have an Overton low F and a MK F. Both are great whistles. Both have their little differences. Used to have a Kerry Pro F, sold it for almost nothing. It can’t even compare to the Overton or the MK. Don’t waste your money on a Kerry F.
Everyone forms their own opinions by what they play and hear, and how it works for them (and sometimes unfortunately, only from what they read)-so it’s very subjective, from one individual to another, and also from one whistle to the next. Unless you’ve played many of the same one, and can report some genuine shortcoming about them, then it’s just one whistler’s opinion about one whistle, and their opinion of it should be considered only in that light.
Interesting that only two posts before yours Carlos, AbraXas says he has that exact whistle (Kerry Pro F) and in no uncertain terms states that it is a magnificent whistle, and it will be with him for a long time. It doesn’t sound like it could be a bad whistle to try to me, since it gets such a positive endorsement from someone who has one. It could be that you found you didn’t like yours yours just for personal taste differences, or possibly you had a bad whistle. *****Also, people don’t always have the right breath control for a given whistle when they try it, and will give it up before finding out how to play it best too, which may lead them to believe that it was the whistle was at fault, and not them. Remember trying certain whistles when you first began playing and thinking they were really bad, only to try them later and find that they play pretty well now? I know that’s easier to do with cheap whistles than the more expensive lows, since you tend not to keep all of the more expensive ones around as long probably.
*Doc Jones wrote an excellent post where he talks about playing an Overton properly (which could also be applied to other whistles, no doubt too), and may help clarify what I am getting at:
So when you say don’t even bother with a certain brand of whistle, it’s really not fair to other players or the whistle maker, to give that impression about any makers entire lot of whistles they’ve made to date, especially when you are only talking about one whistle you had, whenever that was in your journey of whistling skills development.
Barry thanks for the post, very well put.
I was going to say something very similar, but I think you put far better than I ever could.
I have a Kerry Pro F and love it to bits, it does everthing I need it to do
@Starstutu
We all buy and sell whistles from time to time, we keep the ones we like and sell on the ones we don’t for whatever reason, its all part of the journey, but to slag off a whistle and not give any constructive reason for doing so and just say its worthless is bang out of order.
As far as I know, the basic design on the Overton and the Kerry Pro are very close to being exactly the same. Don´t forget that Phil Hardy used to make Overtons as well, and that Kerry Pro is his version of the Overton. When was your Kerry Pro made? And for how long did you use it?
I have to agree with greenspiderweb and narrowdog. If you slaughter a whistle like that, with no argument to back it up, its just rediculous and of course of no value at all. You seem a bit close minded too me by stating the above. You could easially fix that by providing a small description, and being a bit more open minded about it.
Not long ago I bought a “mythical” Grinter F, from a shady-looking unicorn in a dark alley behind the cold fusion plant in Atlantis. OK, I really bought it from a friend, but that’s beside the point.
The whistle was in excellent shape musically and physically, and sounded great in the hands of both my friend and of Paddy Keenan, who had tried it shortly before.
And within 48 hours I returned it to the seller for a refund.
The combination of breath response and physical feel and tone in the ear - it just wasn’t for me.
I think experienced players learn to read declarations of either “fantastic instrument” or “piece of crap” with a critical eye. Ultimately, it’s a matter of personal taste and ability and whether the instrument suits the musical use you put it to.
I’ve played both the Overton and MK low F, and would consider either one my very tasty cup of tea.
Also, it’s been a long, long time since Kerry and Overton whistles shared a heritage. So I think you have to judge each one independently on its current merits, pro and con.
Wow, the fabled Grinter F! No doubt there are some whistles that you don’t hit it off with, but I wonder if you had kept it longer, what you would think of it now? I know, sometimes it doesn’t take long to form the opinion that it’s not right for you-but, part of me wonders if I had kept some whistles (and flutes) longer, if my opinion wouldn’t change about a lot of them. Of course, the only one who can really decide is you.
And yes, MT, I think you are right about the experienced players not being so influenced by good or bad calls on whistles-but more importantly, I think it’s the beginner or one who doesn’t have much time or experience on a whistle (as in low whistles), that negative blanket statements effect more greatly, and it’s those players that need to be reminded not to blindly take all advice as gospel. The rest can decide for themseves if Paddy Keenan’s full of hot air or cold (or both)!
Good question, Barry. For me, the decision was explicitly “Do I want to spend the effort to find out?” Since I’m only a very casual player of low whistles, the answer was ultimately no. I’d rather see the instrument in the hands of someone who can make it sing. And I’m not a fan of wood whistles. And the buck-to-bang ratio was very high (yes, it was expensive).
For instant and affordable gratification, my Overtons and Susatos fit the bill, and sound darn good IMO.
My favourite low F is one I made myself, for the purpose of louder sound in the low register. My earlier home-made low F had a nice pure tone (I thought), but no power in the lower register, and when playing in a quartet, I simply couldn’t hear my low notes against the fiddle and guitar.
So when I found a length of 25mm diameter metal fencepost (I think) down on the disused railway line, the priority was another low F. There was an existing hole (both sides) near the end, which I left as a non-playing resonance hole, as in a couple of bamboo whistles I have. I then made the fingerholes rather big (from 10 up to 13mm diameter) to generate power.
The fipple plug was once part of an old broomstick handle (I get a kick out of recycling).
And now I can hear myself play all the low notes.
It doesn’t look pretty; the fencepost (if that’s what it used to be) was dull grey and had had a hard life. The whistle weighs around 12 oz and you could probably fight your way out of a bar brawl with it; at any rate it’s in no danger of accidental damage.
I love my Alba low F as well. I have not played any other low F but I don’t see any need to look for another one. It is a very nice whistle in a very nice key. It is a good compromise between hi D and Low D. I think it is a much overlooked key.