Just like some feedback...

Jem, you’re tending more towards the legato style I personally favor for a tune like this. Maybe a bit too far; sounds like you could use a few punctuation marks in there.

I’m going to try to take a swipe at this tune and post it.



Rob

Cheers Rob - and good on ya - looking forward to it.

I think MT summed things up beautifully. I’ve now been saved the effort of trying to find the words he expressed in his original post. However, fwiw, I will state what moved me to post: I think you are letting technique overpower the tune. I can’t find the melody so I feel the ornaments become an end in themselves rather than is service of the tune.

The above sounds terse to me, so I want to add that I am only addressing what I think should be considered by you. I’m not even touching the ability you display in your playing, which is considerable.

Cheers.

Thanks Cubitt…I didn’t really think I had any technique! Well, I shall play around with it some more and repost if people don’t mind… now that I have jem’s version! Anxiously awaiting Rob’s take as well! Woo-Hoo!
Arbo

Consarn it!

I’m not able to upload anything to Box right now, probably because something on my computer needs upgrading. Trouble is, my copy of Windows Installer is wrecked and won’t be shown the true way by any means.


Anybody want to host a clip? PM me an email address and I’ll send an MP3.


Rob

Send it to me Rob and I’ll get it up on box.net for you. And Thanks!
Arbo

Think Jem’s just pipped you…should be up soon.


Rob

Yur 'tis! Rob’s Florescence, well and truly Shared…

EDIT: Ahem…! Rob inadvertently sent me the “wrong” clip - he’s now sent me the one he intended and I’ve replaced the file on Box.net. The 4 or 5 folk who listened to it soon after this post went up may wish to revisit…

Same clip, really, just relieved of a bit of up’n’down the D scale for a warmup, then boosted a few DB so you can hear it better.




rob

I think Jem gets the quality I most look for in his rendition - punchy yet tuneful. I would still prefer the push on the octave jumps be a little lighter. One thing I’ve always appreciated when Matt Malloy does these is that he slips them in in a manner that sounds as if he never stops playing the lower octave note and the upper octave version just punches through - bip-bip-bip - as if it were being done on another flute. Wish to heck I knew how he does that.

Thanks Cubitt. It’s funny how we influence each other, isn’t it…? I probably would normally (in similar segments in tunes I know well) play those pedal passages with a bit less punch upwards on the jumps, but was at least partially trying to keep some of what I liked about Arbo’s original clip/style and to play it in a way I felt he’d relate to… I can certainly do 'em smoother, though probably not with the Molloy effect you describe!

Well Cubitt, you probably won’t like these…
Couldn’t help myself…so, I played two versions, on two different flutes, but i have to say…it still sounds like me! So, you don’t have to live with it, but apparently, I DO!

Arbo

http://www.box.net/shared/qq7tttshd0 (Glenn Schultz flute)
http://www.box.net/shared/mz8agh07bh (Firth, Pond & Co. w Abell hj)

This has always been one of my favourite tunes on whistle, as it happens. I may even have a go on it (on flute) myself at some point. Don’t hold your breath though, as I probably won’t be able to until the weekend.

Oh well, since Jem and Rob started, here’s my version of the tune :smiley:

http://www.box.net/shared/eesprncm21

I messed up a bit at the end but anyway, let me know what you think :slight_smile:
And sorry for the very bad audio quality :blush:

I think that sounds nice, Othannen. And never mind the recording quality - mine always come out sounding pretty rude as well!

Redhill is in Sligo, so it’s no surprise that this tune seems to get the full Sligo treatment in this thread. I think my one is a slightly different take, but then I’m not really a Sligo player, for better or worse.

Anybody else got a different take? Let’s hear a few more.


Rob

I will NOT be posting! Maybe in a couple more years… However, I was wondering why all of you accomplished players seem to speed up the tempo about halfway through the tune. To my ear they all sound good at the beginning and all sound rushed by the time you get to the end. (I like Rob’s best, btw, if we’re voting :wink: )

Pat

This is one of those tunes that is custom made for fluthers to blast through! Guess the temptation’s just too great.

That’s also why I consciously tried to step through the tune, just sketch it in without getting carried away. In fairness, one rarely gets to do it like that out in the wide world, session tempos being what they are.

Cheers,

Rob

Agreed, the temptation is too great! :laughing:
Although I hate when I can’t stop myself from speeding up, and then can’t control the tune. Practice practice practice…

The Firth version is lovely! Just the right balance on the octave jumps and the melody so that that the jumps become part of the tune instead of an insert or an interruption. Just my opinion, of course, but I liked it very much.

Arbo, I agree that the FHP version is much better - that’s musical, which your original take wasn’t for me, and some nice variations, though it is still a bit jerky for my tastes, like a rabbit erratically jinking up the road in front of a car… I think one can be punchy without being jerky. The Shultz clip is a halfway house, improving towards the end, though there’s still something very odd going on with a lot of your “rolls” (they’re getting there in the FHP clip). As always, the well-bottom reverb doesn’t help with listening!

Lorenzo - great tone (behind the recording noise) and a nice setting of the tune - more like Rob’s than the one I found. Enjoyable.

Re: the speeding up… maybe I should have another go starting in at full whack instead of trying to be steady!

BTW, Fiddler’s Companion gives an alternative title for this tune as The Clogher Reel - and a quick Google finds at least two Cloghers - one in Mayo, one in Fermanagh - the last would justify a northern pushy setting??? There is also another Flowers of Redhill (#1) - I’d say definitely a different tune, not just a variant setting, but also “single” (4 bar repeats, not 8) and in A Dorian - they go well together, I think.