http://dougsflutes.googlepages.com/

hi folks, im a piper and whistle player and looking to buy my first irish flute. Now i had almost settled on buying the dixon 3 piece D flute as it had good reviews and seemed like not a bad price for a starter, until i came across this maker http://dougsflutes.googlepages.com/ who appears to be selling a similar product at a knock down price.

Can someone please advise me on what would be a better option or even if there are other makers that may be better for a beginner. ideaaly i would like to spend less than around £200

thanks for any help :thumbsup:

“kings”:

You probably should have snooped around here a bit before posting - Doug Tipple is a regular contributor to this forum (and probably will join in down this page from me)… His flutes really are ideal for beginners, BTW. I know I started on one and many others on this forum did the same. You might want to check out some of the “beginner” threads.

Best of luck and keep us posted!

Pat

I’ve read a bit about this myself recently, being in the market for a beginner flute.

People have recommended the Tipple flutes, and he says on his website that his most popular one is the 3-part 6-hole low D (with lip-plate and wedge).

Based on many earlier threads, the consensus around here seems to be that the Tipple is easily the best starter flute for the money. For more money, you can get a better flute. The question comes down to how good a flute you want to start on.

The Dixon three piece conoid bore is a very decent starter flute (I’ve played a couple) - good enough intonation, sweet and easy enough to sound, but not at all powerful. His lower range products are not IMO worthwhile. Tipples are pretty much as playable as the Dixon but different - a bit less like a “real” flute, but stronger toned and more responsive. They’re not really what I would call “similar” products. My association with Doug is open (discussions here on C&F, YouTube demo videos etc.) but I have no commercial interest with him. Crookedtune summed it up perfectly above, and the advice to use this forum’s search faclilty to read up on what is a regular question is sensible. Whatever you go for, good luck, and welcome aboard!

Jem is certainly more experienced about Irish flutes than I am. He sometimes loses me with his online dissertations about flute history and flute mechanics. However, even though I have never played a 3-piece, conical-bore Dixon flute, contrary to Jem’s description above, I’m guessing that I would consider them to be at least somewhat similar to my flutes, the main difference being that my flutes have a cylindrical bore. The Dixon 3-piece conical bore flute and my 3-piece cylincrical-bore flutes are both simple-system flutes with 6 open finger holes, so they are identical in that regard.

I think that what Jem has in mind as a “real” flute is a flute with a conical bore. He probably should have used the words “real Irish flute”, as it is hard to question that a silver concert flute is also a real flute. It’s just not a real Irish flute because the fingering is not simple-system, and the bore of the concert flute is not conical.

With the large (20mm) cylindrical bore and the larger finger holes my flutes offer less blowing resistance than the normal wooden flute with smaller finger holes and a conical bore, so, naturally, a different embouchure is required. However, once the embouchure is mastered, they can be made to sound very similar to a wooden, conical-bore Irish flute. With a slight change of the embouchure they also can be blown to sound similar to cylindrical-bore concert flute. For a demonstration of the tonal possibilities of my flutes, please see the audio files page at my website or the YouTube videos that Jem has so graciously recorded for me.

Yep, Doug’s flutes are certainly real flutes, and serious musical instruments-via Doug’s craftsmanship and tuning, and are an excellent choice for a first flute, especially if you want to save some money.

The Tipples have different dimensions (larger finger stretch, larger holes and no taper towards the end like a conical bore flute), but can sound very similar if you adjust your embouchure, as Doug suggested. That is easier especially, I understand with the newer lip plate to sound more like a wooden Irish flute, though I haven’t had the chance to try one with the lip plate as yet.

Doug’s optional wedge makes the second octave play in tune, which makes it play like conical bore flutes in the second octave, tuning-wise.

The Dixon will sound a little more like an Irish flute for a beginner, without trying too hard, but as said, it won’t have quite the strong tone of Doug’s either, though it’s not a bad way to start either.

One othe difference is the weight-Doug’s flutes being made from PVC tubing, are very lightweight. That can be good and bad; good that it feels very light, and there is no strain in holding it up for longer periods of time, but bad in that it might not be quite as steady in your first efforts until you learn to hold it properly-the extra weight of the Dixon might help with that a little.

I started on one of Doug’s flutes, and would highly recommend one, if you can handle the stretch (his website can guide you or Doug can too). You already know piper’s grip, so the bottom end should be fine for you using that grip. Top end depends on how you will play there-standard or piper’s. I play piper’s bottom, and standard on top, and had no problems with the Tipple flute. I have medium to large men’s hands (about 7-3/4" spread thumb to little finger).

Hope that helps some.
Barry

much obliged gentlemen. I’m gonna go with Doug’s flute for now!

hope you all enjoyed Burns night or are gettin ready to celebrate.

Happy tunes yin an aw

Just come come back from my second Burn’s night- it was a big one!

Anyway, I’d thought that I’d add my 2p. For my 13 year old daughter’s Xmas I bought her a Hammy Hamilton practice flute for around £75 as a surprise. She plays high D/C and Low D whistle with the village folk group and is pretty good musically musical (grade 5 classical clarinet). So I thought that a flute might be a fun thing to try out too. I considered Doug’s flute but the exchange rate and the terrible treatment that I have had with UPS postage has put me off ever buying from outside the EU. Anyway, she has taken to Hammy’s flute like a duck to water despite not having a well-developed flute embouchure. It adds a real depth to the folk group sessions (btw they are all adults in the folk group), and it especially adds a real richness when accompanied by a high D whistle. I’d say that it is one of the best £75 that I have ever spent. Of course, the design has some limitations so there might be some intonation issues (e.g. sometimes quite a few cents flat c.f. the low D whistle) but I think that is as much to do with my wee girl needing to develop a stronger more focused embouchure rather than a bad design. The sound is really really good much better than you would ever imagine. It is also quite different from a low D whistle and has more flexibility (e.g. bending the notes into tune). I would thoroughly recommend the Hammy flute. He also seems a nice guy and will respond to your emails with good advice.

I’d second just about all of that - Hammy’s a grand fella. I haven’t actually tried one of his practice flutes but I’m quite sure they’re very well made and will have an excellent embouchure cut making them easy and responsive to fill. However, as they are unmodified all-cylinder flutes, the second 8ve intonation will necessarily tend flat. It’s not “bad design” as such, just something that is literally inevitable in its proper sense with an all-cylinder flute. I’m sure Hammy has optimised the tone-hole arrangement and other dimensions to minimise this tendency and with practice and a good ear it is possible to “lip it in”, but short of part of the bore being tapered in some way (e.g. Doug’s wedge), you can’t get away from this intonation problem and it is the flute, not your daughter’s embouchure.

UK maker Fred Rose (Lancashire) offers wooden conical flutes in Bubinga for £165. See http://www.fredrose.co.uk/

There was a thread about these flutes here:
https://forums.chiffandfipple.com/t/fred-rose-flute/59895/1

I have not played one, but opinions seem to be good, certainly good value for a hand-crafted wooden flute.

~Hans

Just my $0.02 on the Dixon three-piece, which I had:

  • Authentic sound
  • Not powerful
  • Demanding embouchure-wise. This is a plus or a minus, depending on how far you want to go with the flute afterwards

But, after listening to the sound samples on Doug’s site, I think there’s no contest for that price - I’d buy a Tipple!

Fred hasn’t updated his website lately. In a recent email he stated that the price for a flute is now 200 UK Pounds, and he is now using rosewood.

Thanks all for the interesting embouchure advice. I will reassure my wee girl that she is fine…