How do I sell flutes?

The tones encountered here on this thread are wonderful–some are very recognizable after submerging in Shakespeare for a term: I love the bitter, biting cast of mind that imagines itself a debunker and truth speaker, and it’s come to me where I’ve heard it before: Timon of Athens, Apemantus speaking:
Immortal gods…,
I pray for no man but myself.
Grant I may never prove to fond
To trust man on his oath or bond,
Or a harlot for her weeping,
Or a dog that seems a-sleeping.
Or a keeper with my freedom,
Or my friends, if I should need 'em.(1:2)

If so, though, (and this is flute related, finally), where would sessions be?

Welcome Chandl!

Where are sessions? you ask.

Where are you from? Maybe someone here could help you locate a session nearbye.

Thanks for the welcome, Craig. Fellow Washingtonians, we: A Ballardite, I, and you, an Bothellonian–so, where are the sessions that won’t embarass a novice?

Piper,
It is possible that noone stepped in to defend Sloan flutes because (1) not many people own them (2) Often silence is the loudest comment of all, especially in the uilleann community. If you don’t hear many positives: non loquator, caveat emptor. If you ask for comments on Copleys, Hammys, Cotters or Wilkes, you will be deluged, but I think it’s because many people own these and can make an informed statement on them.

Well Dave, you missed the whole point. I don’t give a care if anyone defends Sloan Flutes. Makes no difference to me. It is the double standard that is exercised in this board that is glaring. Mr. Fandago saw it and yes he complied with the request and “went away.” I rather enjoyed his comments. The point that everyone seems to be missing is that as long as the few thugs on this board who use words like “p-----” off and getting your panties in a stinky bunch make whatever juvenile comments they want, no one says a word. Why? Because they are the darlings of this board. And for Gordon to say to a contributor: “why don’t you just leave” certainly indicates he thinks he owns the board. I for one do not regret one word I have written. Some the others here may do so, but not I, so don’t try to indicate that I have written something wrong.
In America we have cherished one principle above all: freedom. That freedom includes freedom of speech and ideas. Or, at least it did in the past. Many Americans have died and lost limbs defending that freedom. Yes, those who forget that concept are snots and gas bags.
If you all will recall, the writer who inquired about the Sloan asked what was a Metzler. Then, immediately, Gordon launched into an unsupported rant about how inferior these flutes are and advising the person not to buy: I believe the words were: “save your money.”
What bothers me about the jelly fish who did not step up is the hypocrisy. No one saw anything wrong with these comments?
Well, anyway, I will not change my opinions to suit the few.
Of course, I don’t care if Ray Sloan sues Gordon or not. I have not sent the comments to Ray and I guess it is just up to him to protect himself.
Americans are getting pretty darned tired of fighting for those weak kneed folks who do not fight for themselves.
mercy, peace and compassion

My comment to “just leave” had more to do with your repeated statements that you think that there are cliques here, bullies, blowhards, etc. In other words, you seem to dislike a great many people on this board, some of whom have defended your “tongue in cheek” as just that. I’ve never detected that tone (humor) in any of your responses. Instead, they have appeared as paranoid and nasty. So, the suggestion was, simply, that if you are so unhappy with us, as a collective group, just leave. I, personally, would not miss you.
As for me being a favorite around here, I can honestly say I have never personally met a soul on this board, only joined last September (though I “knew” a few others from about 3 years at Woodenflute), and all opinions I have voiced have been my own. I have stood alone on a number of topics; while greatly admiring the craftsmanship of Olwell flutes, for example, I don’t particularly like their tone, particularly the Pratten model. I have few allies on that one. I hate delrin flutes, though I might consider one if I ever needed to endure truly harsh climates. But, overall, I have never played an M&E or Seery I’ve really liked (I’ve never played a Dixon, but they seem to be considered weaker than the first two, in any case). Needless to say, I have few allies on this opinion, either. But that’s what makes forums work. Usually, I just don’t comment on these threads.
If you re-read my original post re the Sloan flute, you will find I had no ulterior motive in my statement, other than to voice an opinion for someone seeing an inexpensive and attractive flute for sale. I learned about Ray’s flutes back when I was flute shopping a few years ago; I was attracted to their look (very pretty), and their price. I have no ego regarding “name brands” ownership, so I thought I might get in on a lesser-known maker. I was warned off them by many in the UK, where these flutes show up in used shops, so I didn’t purchase one. Later, I found one myself, in a used shop here in NYC. It was an attractive looking flute, with bad tonality and a weak tone. I spent only a short time with it. Another was at a session, and I heard the weak tone (intonation was better) before I had a try with it.
Now, even then, I have, on other forums (Woodenflute, most likely) mentioned the possibility that Ray is fully capable (like, say, Sweet) of making a good flute, but that there was a definite consistency problem that I had come across in my limited exposure. Which I felt was a shame, as I’m always looking for an inexpensive, good flute.
Nothing I have said here is libelous, inflamatory, nor vindictive. Nothing I said earlier was; you took offence because you were (unbeknownst to me) trying to sell a Sloan flute. I apologized if I had hurt your sale. If you had responded to my posts by saying, simply, that in your experience, these can be good flutes, and – most importantly - the one you have/had for sale is a particularly good one, I would have been (and was, if I remember) quick to say that this may be true.
The problem here, Piper7 (if that IS your real name) is that you don’t let a disagreement go (you’re still attacking Loren over a thread that petered out a week ago, and one where I think Loren was abused (mostly by you) unfairly). You seem to think that you are battling some gathered organization of accepted wisdom, rather than a large and spirited group of differing opinions and experiences. And, like Mr. Fandango you so admire, you respond with your opinion in an insulting manner. Don’t wave flags of freedom and free speech, civil rights and peace, love, etc., if your manner of approaching other humans is crude and unfair, vicious and blind.
My opinions are not law; I do not rule this board. Again, my suggestion that you go away was not my way of shutting you out of your opinion. Instead, it was a suggestion that if you so hate the opinions on this board (which is to say, all opinions other than your own), then look elsewhere for a board that agrees only with you. It will be, however, a very lonely forum of one.

[ This Message was edited by: Gordon on 2003-02-09 09:32 ]

Gordon, I am not even going to read your post, but I did want to respond to CraigMc’s advice. Let me see if I understand this: I am to develop a thicker skin while others here are whining about my opinions and statements hurting them? I’m now sure I understand the logic in that. Anyway, I am finished with this thread so you all can continue if you want. I have other things to do this Sunday morning. Have a good one.

Oh, my mistake. It was advice from gcollins. Also, don’t worry about forgiving me and being a forgiving lot. I don’t remember asking for your approval, forgiveness or absolution.
mercy, peace and compassion.

Well, then, in the spirit of
mercy, peace and compassion,
perhaps you can forgive us.
Are you willing to give us
another chance?

Ummm…jeez, people, are his shoes too tight or something? And what’s up with the “mercy, etc.” tag lately? It’s like “please be kind, I’m a hurtin’ unit”.

Sorry: if I’m committing an act of flaming here, I’ll retract. Let me know.

N, withdrawing

Hey Chandl,

Please email me or send me a private message with your email address. We have a beginners session that we have started and you are welcome to attend. So far there are about 8 of us. Let me know if your interested.

Well. So much for my first post on THIS board.

Jim. E-mail me or send a private message.

Hey Gordon, I think you express your self well, I do not agree with you on some of the views, but I take your view and experience into count.
The best thing about forums like this one is that we all have shared interest, and can learn from each others experience.
I have not read a posting by you that I felt was dishonest
eilam.

But Gordon doesn’t like the
Dixon very well.
Gordon…you…you
Sleazy Slimey Weasel!!!

On 2003-02-09 14:35, jim stone wrote:
But Gordon doesn’t like the
Dixon very well.
Gordon…you…you
Sleazy Slimey Weasel!!!

Ha! Actually, Jim, if you read what I said (I know, my buddy Piper7 didn’t!), I’ve never played a Dixon. I was just under the undertanding that it was a bit more a beginner’s flute than the Dixon or M&E, and I’ve never been taken with them. THAT said, I would never insult someone for liking them, and I’ve heard some great music come out of them. Well, maybe you, Jim, you blues-playing excuse for a trad musician!

On 2003-02-09 13:35, eilam wrote:
Hey Gordon, I think you express your self well, I do not agree with you on some of the views, but I take your view and experience into count.
The best thing about forums like this one is that we all have shared interest, and can learn from each others experience.
I have not read a posting by you that I felt was dishonest
eilam.

And that’s all I can hope for, eilam!

Well. So much for my first post on THIS board.

Hehe, that’s the chiffboard for you. Anyway, welcome to the flute board, Elliott! :slight_smile:

Cheers,
Jens


[ This Message was edited by: Jens_Hoppe on 2003-02-10 04:21 ]

Thanks for the welcome, but I dont’ think I’ll be back.

Ataboy elliott. you got it. I am going to stick around as long as I can before the moderator kicks me off. I would expect that anytime now that I have been found disagreeable to the clique. But that is the price I pay as an American. People, the barbarians are at the gates, and they will eat your children.

Ahh, there, now I have something to say about Irish Flutes. I am still so pleased with the Copley/Boegli Flute and the McGee Flute in Eb. But, I have found that Irish Flute music is very easy to play. My fiddle and piping practices are much more challenging. Anyway, the I.F. certainly is a complementary instrument and blends well with the others, but I cannot imagine just concentrating on the flute as the sole instrument of any musician. I once met James Galway in person. He was a very short man, ill tempered and not very nice. But he could play the flute. Big deal huh?
Well, more about flutes later. As to any problems you all are having with cracking I have a few rules I live by. always, always, put your flute away in a nice wooden and softly lined box.
Always, always, keep it in the humidity range that Mr. Copley recommends except when you are playing it of course and adding your own humidity.
Always, always oil the flute regularly and then after every practice (after you have swabbed).
Happy tooting and if you all don’t hear from me I am either working (something I have ignored lately) or I have been bumped into cyberspace by the board powers.
Cheers and yes,
mercy, peace and compassion

But, I have found that Irish Flute music is very easy to play. My fiddle and piping practices are much more challenging. Anyway, the I.F. certainly is a complementary instrument and blends well with the others, but I cannot imagine just concentrating on the flute as the sole instrument of any musician.

flat•u•lence P Pronunciation Key (fl ch -l ns)
n.

  1. The presence of excessive gas in the digestive tract.
  2. Self-importance; pomposity.

I myself have been working on the first one as I too find the flute extremely facile and decided to move on to something that offers more of a challenge. I see you have made considerable strides in the second area.