Hallo

Hi, I’ve been reading a few months and not really posted much so thought I’d introduce myself, and ofc I’ve a question!

I’m in belfast, beginner piper (about 6 months playing) and loving it so far, and this forum has been great for tips and info and videos and all the rest, so thanks already :slight_smile:

I have a Robbie Hughes concert pitch practice set I just changed over to from a Brendan O Hare chanter I started with, I think I’ve got used to it now but having some tuning problems with it.

I read a thread on here months ago from someone about getting the best out of any chanter, learning to control pitch etc, and how to tune it. I can’t find it any more. Anyway, the high E on my chanter always seems flat when the reed is down in the chanter and the bottom D is pitched right - I have to really squeeze it up to almost get the high E but then it sounds fairly distorted or squeaky. If I raise the reed a bit the high E seems OK but the low G is not right and the whole chanter is not in concert pitch. Is there any solution to it?! Btw there is a bit of tape on the back D hole that was there when I got the chanter.

I would normally ask my teacher about it but our class has broken up for a few weeks.

Thanks, and hallo again!

Perhaps you are referring to Pat Sky’s very hepful hints on chanter control. The doc is available here.

djm

Or to be more specific…
https://forums.chiffandfipple.com/t/octave-problems-and-playing-in-tune/60225/1

Playing in Tune
By Patrick Sky

Let’s assume that you have a new chanter and it comes with a reed that, according to the maker, is a good reed. You strap the chanter on and some of the notes are sharp or flat. You then take the chanter to a good piper that you know and he plays the chanter, and it is in perfect pitch. He says that it is a very good chanter and reed. What is wrong? Most likely the problem is your inability to “control” the chanter. A new reed, in most cases, is not going to help you.

I have been playing the pipes for over 30 years and I have never found the perfect chanter/reed combination; that is, a chanter that plays in perfect tune in both octaves with only the slightest change in pressure. When I play my chanter it is in great tune and pitch. When Todd Denman plays my chanter at first it is not in good tune, but after a few minutes it “comes in”. Why is that? It is because some of the notes have to be forced to play in tune either by using a different fingering or by increasing or decreasing the pressure. Getting these “wild” notes in tune is what I mean by control. All master pipers know this.
For example, on most chanters the 2nd octave G is flat. I almost always force the note by lifting the chanter and applying more pressure.
Then there is the problem of the first octave E being sharp, and then flat in the 2nd octave. On most chanters one has to place a small piece of tape across the E hole to flatten the first octave and then lift the chanter off of the knee when ever the 2nd octave E is played. This produces an E note with a “whooping” sound; which adds color to the music; listen to Liam O’Flynn—almost all of his 2nd octave E’s have a “whoop” sound as he lifts the chanter. That is because Liam’s Rowsome chanter is flat in the 2nd octave E.

Next we have the 2nd octave A. If the hole for the A is large enough to produce an on pitch note by lifting the G and F# fingers, then the B will be sharp. Most pipemakers make the 2nd A note slightly flat so that the B will be in pitch. To bring in, and sharpen the A, simply play the A with the G finger down or sometimes with the F# finger down. You just have to practice this fingering until it feels natural.
The problem of the C natural being sharp has to be mastered by keeping your finger in contact with the chanter and “pointing” so that you half hole the C# note. This will produce a nice sliding effect and bring the C note into tune.

Finally, remember that the thumb hole D must be adjusted so that it will play with the same amount of pressure as the 2nd octave E.
As I said in the first paragraph, you must learn to “control” your playing or you will never play in tune. Every chanter is different so try moving your fingering around to locate the proper fingering and pressure of each individual note. By using different fingerings on my Kenna B chanter I can get 3 distinct A notes in the 1st octave (one being on pitch and 2 not on pitch) and the same for the F# in the 1st octave. This will seem like piping hell at first, but after a while you will get used to it and not even think about it.

https://forums.chiffandfipple.com/t/reflections-on-the-e-note/61091/6
Reflections on the E note.


I have for years been frustrated with the E note on the concert D chanters. The Flat chanters seem to have better pitch and quality. But the D chanters can be very frustrating. Most of the time when the pitch problem is solved, still the tone is week and not very good.

I remember talking to a professor of Organology ,at Brown University in Rhode Island, years ago about the E problems. He enlightened me to the fact that all woodwind instruments and also flutes have problems with the E or the first note above the lowest bell note on the instrument. He explained that the problem arise from the fact the E note is situated just above the bottom of the chanters standing wave which creates turbulence that interferes with the E note. That is why the E does not have as good a tone or controllable pitch as the rest of the notes. Most of us just adjust to this week note and ignore it, learning to adjust fingering; placing tape on the hole; putting a rush in the chanter, and so on.

A few years ago, taking the professors advice I made a chanter with a Ferrell on the bottom that would extend the length of the bottom of the chanter, thus moving the E hole away from the standing wave at the bottom. Sure enough the E was vastly improved, however the G, A and B note were altered. One thing about chanters. If by using reamers to alter notes by removing bits of the bore… it always affects other notes I talked to David Quinn about this and he said it is very frustrating indeed.

just lift chanter a bit from leg with high e ,if rest notes are quite in tune.

But remember to leave the little finger on the bottom hole when ye lift the chanter.
Uilliam
its all covered by Pat above.

Thanks, this is what I was looking for. I will give these tips a try. :slight_smile: