Guess who made this flute?

Listen to the sound clip (a touch of Christmas in July) and see if you can guess what make of flute was used:

http://www.firescribble.net/Taladh.mp3

Edited to add another short clip from a different CD featuring the same flute:

http://www.firescribble.net/ThaMi.mp3

Hints:

    1. Wooden, 8-key simple-system flute
  1. The answer can be found somewhere in the responses to the thread entitled “Who Makes the Darkest Sounding Flutes (In the Key of D)?”

OK - I think only McGee and Gallagher make 8 keyed flutes from those listed in the other thread…I’ve voting McGee.

Eric

Nope :slight_smile:

Hows about Pat Olwell bamboo?

Nope!

Another hint (which will narrow the possibilities considerably): It’s not by a modern maker.

A Rudall ?
:confused:

OK - it’s an antique anonymous german flute. If I’m right, do I get a prize? How about one of those spare flutes lying around your place?

Eric

That’s really a simple system? Sounds almost conical-bore- or Boehm-like.
I woulda said Haynes or Powell or Abell for modern maker.

Goulding (boxwood)? Potter?

Metzler?

Heck, I don’t know (I also didn’t consult the list), but a lovely sound.

Is that you playing it, there?

a Firth Pond

Great sound by the way.

That’s right: “Dead Germans” is the right answer.

I posted it because those old German flutes get a bad rap all the time but they can really sound quite nice.

Sorry, I don’t have any spare flutes! :wink:

I had an anonymous german flute once. I thought it was a good player but it certainly took a lot of time to get used to it. It had a great low D once you took the time to get to know her, and I’d agree that it had a dark sound. I don’t think they’re everyone’s cup of tea, though.

Sorry you don’t have any spare flutes Brad…cash will do nicely. :laughing:

Eric

I agree that it sounds like a Boehm…there’s a certain “coldness” to the sound of these German flutes that reminds me of a metal flute; it’s hard to put a finger on it.

This was an old German flute that arrived in a box full of of other flutes and flute parts that was sent to Chris Abell. I played it for nearly 10 years.

And yes, that’s me playing…these are from a couple of CDs that came out in 1996 or 1997, with classically influenced players so I was aiming for that sort of sound rather than something more traditional. I used a Healy for most of the other tracks, but the German felt right for these.

Wow! That’s wild! I would have sworn an English or French maker if not an American one; I’ve always thought of the German flutes as a bit “muddier” sounding.

You do get such a nice cool, clear tone from it … congrats!

And thanks for a great learning experience. Finally … come on, at least you can send the remainder of the box of flute parts to Jayhawk. One good turn and all that …

:smiley:

Congratulations on the sound.

That is even more surprising considering that 8 keys german flutes were the cheapo or “student” models. “Serious” german flutes had at least 11 keys. And an ivory head. Is your all wood?

Coucou, koukou!

Yes, it was all wood…the headjoint was unlined as well (but it had a tuning slide, of course).

I don’t have that flute anymore…I sold it quite some time ago to Marko Packard, a fine flute player who now lives in Massachusetts, and he sold it recently to someone in Boston. I miss it sometimes, it had a lovely tone.

Unlined wood?

Now it sounds like an early 19C german flute. Those flutes are much rarer and often much better than the mass produced later german flutes. And much more expensive too! Did it had ivory rings?

I agree, lovely tone. And great playing!

:sunglasses:

No, it had nickel-silver rings and nickel-silver keys, no ivory anywhere. I wish I had a photo of it somewhere but don’t think I do.

I paid about US $250 for it…this was in the late 1980s. Chris Abell told me he believed it was made in the 1870s, but who knows?

I have two wooden flutes, a Johnny Gallagher 8 key (R&R 714 a la Chris Norman in cocobolo) and a restored 8 key blackwood Meyer, the real Meyer. What a bum rap these German flutes get. Maybe it is subconscious, from our grandfather induced hatred or something. I am not a good player, but when I play the Meyer, I sound like one.

Nelson

I love my 1880s german flute. It has a pretty unique tone, and it seems like every couple of weeks, I find some new colors hiding in it.

Hi Nelson, congrats for your Meyer, they have a great reputation.

I have an old 11 keys Kohlert with a wooden lined head. It is a good player. Flawless intonation, nice slightly reedy tone and easy notes. Very responsive. More than 100 year old and not one crack. The only thing is that it is tuned at 430 Hz. :stuck_out_tongue: And the tone, even if pleasing by itself, is probably not the one in fashion in ITM circles.

Now, there are also many crappy german flutes, not even remotely in tune with themself. Not sure if this is due do a bad design or damage due to time. My guess based on my little experience is that about 1 out of 10 surviving german flute is really good.