Casey Burnes?

nothing preconceived–it was more post-conceived :laughing: nice!!
I must admit that at one time I was considering buying a Casey Burns flute. (I had not decided on which model as I could not at the time hear any sound files on line)
I was still interested in one when the guy with the flute in question started playing with us, I decided against one purely on hearing his flute.
It may sound a bit strange making a decision like that, but lets face it, we make decisions like that on many things we purchase don’t we?
And how many times have we gone on seeing just a clip or trailer for a movie and decided that we didn’t want to watch it? :smiley:

So Allyson, come on, we are curious here. Let us know more :confused: :smiley:

I have a CB folk flute,
one of the older ones…mopane

It plays well with a mediocre embouchure
with a good embouchure it sings in a beautiful voice

It would be excellent for a small group or solo

Casey makes other flutes that would be better suited for a large session.

If someone wants to pay me enough for it to allow me to buy a newer one in boxwood… :smiley:

Just wanted to let everyone know that this discussion apparently scared her away. I never heard from her.

Frankly, I wouldn’t mind a growing waiting list rather than the current shrinking one.

Anybody got any career ideas in this economy for a 52 year old apparently soon to be former flute maker? Actually there will probably be several of us if the above trends continue. And the local WallMart is no longer hiring.

Thanks a million US dollars!
Casey

'Just wanted to let everyone know that this discussion apparently scared her away. I never heard from her. ’ Well Casey, if you never heard from her, how do you know this discussion scared her away? :smiley:
Maybe she saw your price list and had second thoughts! :wink:
(I’m joking Casey)
I know the amount of work that goes into making flutes, and for little profit considering the amount of time and effort employed, not to mention the cost of tools and equipment to start with. But still, a lot of folk don’t see that, all they see is a nice looking flute, think ‘Yeah, I wouldn’t mind one of those’, see the price and say ‘Oops, I don’t think so!’
I would love to have my own Grinter, mine has been put on hold. No matter how much convincing my wife and myself how much I need one, the cost alone is the one determining point in the whole exercise.
It is not that I can’t afford it, but can I justify spending thousands of dollars on a new flute when the Pratten copy that I have is just fine?
I know it certainly puts me off. I am looking at getting back into making whistles and I want to keep the cost down, but I know that is going to be hard. If I can’t make them for a good price, then I wont bother at all.

A great flute can play like a wimpy one with the slightest leak in the cork, or one of the joints, a leak which may be very difficult to detect.

Many years ago I had a Copeland flute which I thought mediocre; I sold it to a friend, who played it for many years afterwards and got a great tone from it. He said that as soon as he bought the flute from me, he found a tiny leak and fixed it.

One of the loudest flutes I’ve ever played was a Casey Burns flute made in the 80’s. It was beautifully flamed “mountain mahogany”. It had a huge tone which I needed at the time, playing in a group with a very loud accordion player.

Casey: if your list shrinks too much, go into making uilleann pipes! Seems like most of the top makers have “closed their books” and demand still far exceeds supply.

Thanks for the UP suggestions! Most of the flute makers I talk to are still getting orders - just not as fast and furious as up till last year. I actually abhor long waiting lists and if I ever get mine down to zero this winter or following spring (unlikely), then first thing I’ll do is start generating a several flute inventory - and make a few flutes that I have been wanting to make for years. Then I’ll consider bagpipes and other instruments.

I started flute making in 1981 which was a few years into the post Vietnam Recession. I figure if I could start a business then and survive then I have nothing to worry about! But Uilleann Pipes or other bagpipes - probably not for the masses.

There are better makers of the Uilleann Pipes, including Brad Angus 3 hours south of me. I did find an old Kennedy set which I copied for the brother-in-law of the owner and I have a request from the same family for one other which I’ll agree to do. The original is too fragile to play, except for the chanter which plays perfectly at 440 with even a mediocre reed. The set looks like hell unlike some of the pristine Egan sets I’ve seen from that period. The reason why it looks like hell is that it was out being played every night since Colonial times! That chanter is the easiest one to reed. The Egans I have tried copying are nightmares.

Other bagpipes that I would delve in to include the Zampognas of Italy, and then some more French sets. But mostly for myself, so I have some of these to play into my dottage. Last bagpipe I made for myself was when my wife was pregnant with my daughter. My daughter is heading off to college in 6 weeks!

Other instruments to make would include some of the Clarinet family, including the Mozart era bassett horns. I’ve already done one copy of the Griesling and Schott at the Smithsonian. Have considered ergonomic low whistles in wood but I don’t do fipples well. However, I may have someone working on this…

Am not worried about running out of work yet, especially as orders keep coming in. If the Bank Runs continue and the dollar tanks I may raise my prices or simply price everything in a more stable currency such as the Euro. Have heard that people are simply driving less, going on much less fancy vacations - and spending their saved money on instruments instead! I think this is a fine trend.

I was being a bit sarcastic in the above post. However, I do experience a considerable amount of “drop out” from some who are interested in inquiring about my instruments but who inquire here first instead of me directly, then get discouraged by the chatter or flak apparently. They simply never then contact me, possibly after reading posts similar to the one taking issue with my flutes, based on a review one far away instrument in uncertain condition. Or sometimes a legitimate question is followed by drivel and jokes and other irrelevant stuff that belongs in another topic and their questions go unanswered (where are the moderators in this regard. Dale?). This “scare away” factor has the potential to make life difficult, if too many get scared away. But few of my new clients read C&F or even know about it for it to make any significant dent. But I am unable to stop it and don’t necessarily think people should be careful about what they say and the number of posts supporting my flutes usually overwhelms anyway.

But for some - they will read somethng and take it at its face value and some damages may occur! Usually it is misinformation which we have to then spend time on the phone responding to a worried client when our talents are better at the lathe bench. Do people really want to add this traction to us flute makers?

Casey

Casey, you should consider making whistles. Those whistle players buy a lot of whistles. I’d love to buy a nice wood whistle.

I’d love to get a boxwood folk flute but I already have the mopane folk flute and I love it. And I also have a boxwood rudall and love it, too. I’ve been anxiously awaiting someone’s review of the boxwood folk flute. It sounds like it would be the best of both of my two flutes.

Also, I don’t have a job at all.

I’ve been seriously considering the boxwood flute also…does anyone have one that could give an opinion?

Well, if it makes you feel any better, if I can ever acquire the spare funds needed, a mopane flute with slide and rings is near the top of my list of wants. We hope to be homeowners and parents within the next year or two, though, so who knows when having such funds would be possible.

I think everyone is just broke lately. I see things not sell on here all the time, when it seems like people would be jumping at the deals (the Seery delrin listed, for example).

I’m on the current list for a Boxwood folk flute and really looking forward to it. This will my first unkeyed flute although I am a long time silver boehm
player.

Wow Casey, an uilleann chanter that’s easy to reed and plays bang-on at A=440???
If you could make consistent good-playing copies of that, you’d have more orders than you could cope with.

I have a friend, a fine Highland piper, who wants to get into uilleann piping and is dismayed and discouraged by the situation in the uilleann world:

-The best makers are no longer taking orders.

-Seems that makers who have waits less than five to ten years are making instruments that just don’t play very well.

-If you buy a used chanter, chances are you’ll never find anyone to make a reed that will work in it.

He has bought a number of chanters through various sources and none of them are playable.
There IS a market for uilleann chanters that WORK.

The Achilles Heel of bagpipe making is the reeds. I don’t have time to make them for other people, much less myself. Yet pipers commonly expect the makers to provide these rather than learning how to make their own. This works in the Highland world and the Spanish (thankfully!) world if you know where to look but nowhere else.

Denny Hall and I came up with an alternate pricing structure for Uilleann Pipe half sets. One would have to sign a contract first. Then pay these prices:

Half set, unreeded, with all the trimmings $100
Reed Set (first one required per contract, extra ones optional) $4900 per set

These are current minimum prices that I would charge. The reed set would not be guaranteed to work - since sending these to a different climate entails risks and the piper then mucking with them entails additional risks beyond our control. However, the first set of reeds would be required for purchase per contract.

Fipples to me are as or more difficult than reeds!!! I’ll leave the fippled to the fipplers. The flute embouchure is very easy for me. And with clarinets, the reeds are widely available, as well as mouthpieces.

Casey

Pity the poor piper. His needs exceeds his reeds.

Most oboe players, I believe, make their own reeds, certainly all the ones I’ve met in the classical world (I’ve heard a couple at it, making their reeds with the very grating, buzzing, loud, high-pitched noises that go with it). Perhaps pipers need to do the same while risking scaring and ticking off the rest of their neighbors and loved ones in the process… :boggle:

I’m seeing a disconnect here!

Hey, don’t get me wrong–I love the pipes and the oboe. But the sounds of reed making are some of the most nail-on-chalkboard sounds I’ve heard, and I have no problem with my little ones banging the piano, drums, tambourines all at the same time. Just a friendly warning to those interested in the reed making path.