Can't keep a tune? You may have an excuse!

From Newsday.com:

Can’t sing? It may not be your fault

BY JAMIE TALAN
STAFF WRITER

June 23, 2004

Can’t keep a tune? You may get to blame your brain.

People who can’t discriminate between musical tones suffer from amusia, or tone deafness, and Canadian researchers say they have identified a region in the brain they believe is responsible. They are set to deliver preliminary findings today at an international meeting in Montreal on music and the brain.

Krista Hyde and her colleagues at the University of Montreal have been scanning the brains of 20 people who’ve been tone deaf since birth, and have narrowed the hunt to the right auditory cortex, an area of the brain that processes pitch perception.

Amusia is no laughing matter, Hyde, a doctoral student, says. Music is such a major element of our culture, she said, that the condition “robs them of their experience of music. … A beautiful symphony can sound like noise.”

The researchers suspect that as much as 4 percent of the world’s population have a congenital brain abnormality that renders them tone deaf. Others can acquire amusia following head trauma or stroke.

Of 100 people who responded to ads seeking people who can’t carry a tune, Hyde said only 20 qualified for a true diagnosis of amusia - indicating many who think they’re tone deaf instead simply aren’t good vocalists.

Hyde’s post-doctoral research was designed to figure out why people had severe problems processing music despite normal intelligence, memory and language skills. Her findings, published in the latest issue of Psychological Science, suggest that a brain abnormality impairs pitch processing.

One of her study subjects is a New York language professor whose husband was also a professor - of music. “When he wanted to take her to the symphony, she became aggressive,” Hyde recalls. She said the couple are no longer married.

Robert Zattore, a professor of neuroscience at the Montreal Neurological Institute, part of McGill University in Montreal, said that the human brain has evolved so that left and right sides of the auditory cortex have different structures and functions - unlike most brain regions, which are symmetrical.

Studies by Zattore and others suggest that the left auditory cortex contains more white matter than the right, suggesting that the left evolved to handle rapid-firing human speech. The right is slower in processing information but more accurate, which may explain its involvement in pitch perception.

The McGill scientist says that his work on processing music is helping unravel the mysteries of schizophrenia. Many patients with schizophrenia complain of voices that no one else can hear. Zattore and his colleagues suspect that’s a result of a disconnect between the auditory cortex and the rest of the brain.

Harvard scientists also were to present evidence that musicians are made, not born. Gott- fried Schlaug, an associate professor of neurology, has shown that adults with more musical training have more pronounced brain changes. In a continuing study, he has scanned the brains of 100 children with a range of early music training. So far, the structure of the right auditory cortex appears similar, regardless of training. He expects to see differences emerge between the groups over time.
Copyright © 2004, Newsday, Inc.

“AMUSIA” After our session on Tuesday night, I think that Amusia would be great name. The fiddlers were playing sharp then flat all night.

MarkB

Well, that’s fiddlers for you ducks a flying lump of rosin, but I agree that it’s a great name. I wonder how it is pronounced..

That’s a horrible condition! :sniffle: I relate music to almost everything in my life. The fax machine will beep and I’ll think, “Hey, that’s the first note to I’m Too Sexy, by Right Said Fred”! Seriously, I can’t imagine what it’s like to hear any music as just a bunch of noise. (besides Yoko Ono) :wink:

Sometimes we do that because the whistlers won’t let us hear to tune up, but generally we do it because we can.

The google ads that are getting displayed are pretty funny…

The one that got shown for this thread is advertising hearing aids…!!!

jhonan said

The google ads that are getting displayed are pretty funny…

The one that got shown for this thread is advertising hearing aids…!!!

…and the next one was for Sign Language, which I used on the fiddlers last night showing them were a certain sign can be put softly…where?
:laughing:

MarkB

Amuse ya.

The positive thing about this finding is that a great many people who THINK they can’t make music (and who often claim tone deafness) may very well be able to LEARN to make music with the proper training. I have many friends who say “I love music, and I wish I could sing, but I can’t carry a tune in a basket.” They’re often under the misconception that they’re tone deaf. If they really seem interested, I run them through a simple pitch-matching exercise, and generally discover that they’re not tone deaf at all…they can tell that the notes are supposed to go up or down, and they can tell when they don’t quite hit them right…something a tone deaf person can’t do. With some training, most of these people could LEARN to sing decently. It’s often just a matter of learning to place the voice properly and practicing pitch matching until it becomes instinctive.

Redwolf

Amuse ya.

Well, it certainly doesn’t amuse me

:stuck_out_tongue:

Well, there is always the bodhran… :roll:

When I saw the term “amusia”, I was struck by it and thought what a perfect name for a hag-goddess that attends awful playing, like Phobos (fear), son of Ares, war god of the Greeks, and who attends battle with his father.

I must somehow find a way to propitiate Amusia if she will not be banished outright. She dogs me. :boggle:

Canis Amusia Phobos

or .. Fear of the sound of barking dogs ? :smiley:

MarkB

Lol! - I just got a google ad on the main forum page that read;

“UCP - Powerful advocates for people with disabilities”

Are they trying to tell us something???.. :laughing:

Poor thing. I could almost feel sorry for it. It’s like someone who desperately wants to be part of the conversation and chimes in with something inane but apropos of the latest possible turn in the content.

Now colitis. What next? :laughing:

Great stuff.

I wonder what it would take to get an ad for, say, autoparts displayed. You know, to repair cars with spare parts and tools to fix cars, automobiles, vehicles, broken, camshaft, fuel pump, alternator, tire/tyre, gearbox, shift, oil, lid, wipers, battery, jumper cables, belt belts, head light, bulb, replace, 2002 Dodge Ram.

Hehehe.

It worked. :smiling_imp: What if we talk about plumbing, drains, clogged, faucets, fixtures, shower heads.

I think the part I found most distressing was this:

"Of 100 people who responded to ads seeking people who can’t carry a tune, Hyde said only 20 qualified for a true diagnosis of amusia - indicating many who think they’re tone deaf instead simply aren’t good vocalists. "

It was better when I could claim that my difficulties were not my fault - this suggests that I’m just inadequate.

I’d like to feel inadequate, but I’m just not up to it.

Martin, if your not up to it you might want the add up above that is there right now “Startmeup2 or Jumper Cables” :laughing:

MarkB