best tutor books?

I’m about to enter grad school and I’m thinking about how I can reduce costs. I’m also starting to learn uilleann pipes, and the idea of paying for a lesson every week sounds like a lot of money to me. So I was thinking that I might try learning from a tutor book. Before you cry out in horror, I’ll still be going to monthly club meetings, plus weekly sessions (playing recorder), so I’ll still get a lot of live contact with Irish music and pipes.

Anyway, can anyone recommend a good tutor for someone who can read music and has played several other instruments to varying degrees of mastery? Using a method book worked well for me on recorder, so I thought I might give this a try.

By the way, I’m not committed yet to this course of action, so if you can give me a compelling reason to spend the money on lessons, I’m open to what you have to say.

-David

Em… I need the money! :wink:

PD.

Suggestion: get rid of the f%#*ing recorder and get a good whistle for sessions. :poke:

Ted

Ston, at the risk of setting off a great hue and cry here, I will tell you of four tutor sources, none of which are complete, but taken together will help you cover a lot of ground:

1). HJ Clarke’s Tutor “The New Approach to Uilleann Piping” - book & companion CD
2). Denis Brook’s “The Union Pipes: A Workbook” - book from Irish Piper’s Club-Seattle
3). Mad4Trad - Uiilleann Pipes Tutorial - CD-ROM
4). NPU - 3 videos

The books will give you the dots and the cross-fingerings. The CDs and videos will let you see/hear what its supposed to look/sound like.

What none of these sources helps with is the physical reality of wrestling with the octopus. That’s where an articulate instructor can be of the most assistance. If, as you say, you have that covered, then the above should give you a good start.

Once you have the basics down (depending on how good you really are :wink: ) you can branch out into some of the NPU books of transcripts of the masters like Patsy Tuohey, Willy Clancy, and (coming soon) Seamus Ennis.

Hope that helps,

djm

Let’s not forget Ennis’ own tutor book ‘The Masters Touch’ available from NPU. Quirky terminology, but useful and entertaining all the same.

Regards, Harry.

I’ll tell you the book I started with and why. I never had any actual lessons…never met in person another uilleann piper…

I knew how to read music. I needed basically a fingering chart, a description of the technique used to play, and some arrangements for pipes would have been nice, too.

I found all three (cheaply) in davy spillane’s uilleann pipe tutor.

gasp< I know it’s taken criticism on this board before, but like I said, I only needed to two, maybe three very basic and easy to provide things, and that book had them.

Yeah, seriously, Ston…get a good whistle. You don’t have to spend hundreds of dollars for one, either, a $10 metal and plastic job will do fine. Clare, Generation, Oak, or even Feadog are your best entry-level options; of the lot, Clare is about the best but Generations are perhaps the most readily available. If possible, try a number of them before buying.

The recorder has no place in Irish music, none, zip, zero, zilcho, nada. Empty set, dude.
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Seems a lot of places won’t let you try their whistles before buying them(Over here in the UK anyway) . Diseases? Too many Lonesome Boatmen? shrug

Regarding tutors, they are great, but I’ve yet to see one that shows how to ornament rolls etc., properly. These need to be got 1 to 1 in real time.

Alan

Listen to them Ston, they are speaking volumes here :wink:

I found the NPU vid’s very helpful as there were no teachers around when I was learning … (on-going process) … hence all the tionól excursions and visit’s to Willie Week… I hate to think what I’d be like if I hadn’t done this.

Listening is key, as Séamus told us and being constructively critical of your own playing is also essential.

Speaking of whistles, Tony Dixon http://www.tonydixonmusic.co.uk/ whistles are very nice. I was given a plastic D recently and I’m very impressed with it.

Ciao bellows,

Patricimo.

Oh! I meant 1 to 1 as in catching the piper in the pub, buy them a beer and then steal their techniques!! :wink:

Alan

Yup. All very true, and to a great extent, each of us learns in different ways and has different needs. Some people “get” some things faster than others (like me).

I had help from lots of well-meaning people, and there are very few books etc. that I don’t have, but my biggest awakening was sitting one-on-one with Martin Nolan for a half-hour. Not only was he able to tell me exactly what I was doing wrong, but he could explain why, and then show me the right way. Unfortunately, I had already been mucking about for a year and a half on my own by that time, and I still haven’t been able to unlearn all the bad habits I had developed by then.

Something a book or video or whatever cannot do is watch you and correct you at an early stage. If for no other reason, having a teacher guide you right from the start is priceless. (IMHO)

djm

The NPU videos are helpful, no doubt, although Gay and Nollaig look and sound like they’re on trial for thoughtcrime. The tape editor’s technique of instantly replacing an image of one piper with the other piper via jump cut makes it look like they’re in the Twilight Zone, also.
Recorder, eh? Irish music has been played on lots of bizzaro instruments, jew’s harp, saxophone, ukulele, accordion. Buy the tapes that come with Tomas O Canainn’s slow airs book to hear some oddball instrumentation. That’s a great reference book, too.

Sorry to go off topic, but…

I Honestly don’t understand this sentiment. Recorder is almost the same instrument as penny whistle, just a little higher tech (which of course isn’t necessarily a good thing). It plays a full chromatic scale across two octaves, is tunable, has the right range for Irish music, has a broad repertoire in which I can use it, and (in my opinion) has a very nice sound. In almost all cases I’m able to do ornamentation just like on a whistle, so the only way you’d know it was a recorder is from the timbre.

I’ve tried penny whistle and I can play some stuff on it but I just don’t like the instrument very much. It has a rough sound, is far from chromatic (unless you want to deal with difficult half-holing), often isn’t tunable, and often has several out-of-tune notes. I got a “recommended” instrument (as learned from the C&F web site, a Feadog D) and it has most of these problems. I honestly have higher regard for my plastic Yamaha student model recorder.

I’m not just trying to be contrary here. I’ve thought this through quite a lot. I spent some time learning penny whistle, but it just wasn’t for me. I like recorder a lot more, and I already know how to play it pretty darn well – why shouldn’t I play it in Irish music?

Besides, aren’t we in this for fun? I know I am. I learn and play this music in order to have a good time. When people start telling me I can’t participate because I have the wrong instrument is the day I stop coming to sessions. I want this to be an inclusive thing – not only for my sake but for everyone. I want to be a part of something where everyone is welcome to join in if they can.

Okay, I guess I’ll stop now. I welcome comments on this, as always.

-David

Ston, go for it. The only determinate here is the other musicains in your local sessions. If they accept a recorder in their midst, that’s all that matters. You are quite correct that a recorder fits right in with other instruments in an ITM session, neither dominant nor dischordant.

You are not playing with anyone on this forum, so it really doesn’t matter what opinions and purist sentiments may be spouted here. I have even heard of some folks going so far as to bring such non-traditional instruments as harmonicas, concertinas, accordians, banjos, guitars and bouzoukis to sessions. Pretty far-fetched, I know, but its true.

The only time I can think of that you may have to be more reserved in your choice of instruments is when you go to a more formal ITM event or competition, but these aren’t necessarily for fun, anyways.

djm

IMHO, the best tuned, most consistant cheap tin whistle I have ever tried is the Clarke original design, but they take around 3 months to “blow in”.

When you get your ear trained to ITM, you will be able to hear what is “wrong” with the recorder. They just absolutely aren’t tin whistles and their intonation and “bendiness” doesn’t capture the “soul” of ITM.

For some strange reason, the painted ones sound better than the unfinished and those are much easier to lose and make “bananna” whistles of. :angry:

I just wish I could find some C sessions so I could play my Clarke C which sounds even better than the D. :slight_smile:

How do you blow in a whistle, Phil? Step on it by accident?

I like the flushie! :thumbsup: Not exactly, but that is one method of making one of my many “bannana” whistles. :laughing:

I just play them until the wood looses the bitter taste and gets used to the wet/dry cycle and the holes get smooth. Oh, the tip of the mouthpiece usually has a chip of paint missing by then too, so the good, broken-in ones are easier to spot.

Ston,
Well, it seems like you already got the riot act about getting one on one help, but since you are in LA, that shouldn’t be a huge problem. Okay, here’s my take on the two tutors that I have direct experience of, NPU and Clarke’s. I’ve been mostly using NPU (almost to the end of the 2nd vid). If I were you, I would use the NPU vids for the simple reason that you are used to reading music. The NPU vids will help you get used to just getting things by ear. There is a little booklet of sheet music that comes with the vids, but it might be a good idea to just toss it and work from the vids. Almost all the notation in it is jacked up anyway (i.e. it doesn’t represent what is actually being played). You can tell the people that wrote it are not used to using sheet music. I came from a highland pipe background and so was used to slavishly following the written notation. The NPU tutor helped me break away from that, and now I actually prefer getting things by ear.

I think that the NPU vids are probably a bit more difficult technique wise as they seem to teach a more ornamented and tight style than Clark (esp Nollaig McCartaigh’s playing). Also, while the difficulty generally flows evenly upward, there are a couple places where they toss you a whopper. I remember thinking, “well that last tune was pretty easy” and then getting slam dunked by the next tune. “The Plains of Boyle” comes to mind. While "Sixpenny Money and “The Gander in the Pratie Hole” are currently doing the slam-dunking on my white hiney.

Oh yeah, one other good benefit on the NPU vids is that you get introduced to some different tune types besides jigs and reels. There’s plenty of slow airs in Vol2 and then Vol3 gets into Mazurkas, a march, a set dance, polkas, plus more of the obligatory jigs and reels. Honestly, I don’t really have a bad thing to say about the NPU vids. I can’t wait for Vol4, providing NPU doesn’t go under before then.

Clarke’s, being a book, obviously tends to rely a bit more on written notation. However, ear training is not neglected as only the first time through the tune is written out. She then plays variations on the CD which you can get by ear. The only danger here is that some players, being anxious to “get on with it” will skip the ear part. She doesn’t really emphasize in the text that this should really be a mandatory part of the learning.

As I said, the ornamentation seems to be a bit lighter on most tunes than in NPU. I think you could call her style more of a “session” style. Honestly, most of the pipers you hear will probably play more like this than the NPU way. At least thats been my experience. My teacher often found the NPU tunes to be a bit over-ornamented for his taste. And sometimes commented that I might get funny looks if I played it that way in a session.

Anyway, one strength of Clarke is that she teaches at a very measured pace. There’s a bunch of chapters and a bunch of tunes in the book. You might learn two new tunes just to practice one new note on the chanter. Probably very few of the difficulty jumps you might find in NPU. Also, my favorite thing about Clarke’s is the tune selection. I guess my and her taste must be very close, but I loved alot of the tunes she picked out for this book. NPU sometimes throws you a few duds. Tobin’s Jig comes to mind. Although they redeem themselves in Vol3 with my current all time favorite tune, “The Ace and Deuce of Piping.” Anyway, one complaint I have is that Clarke doesn’t include on the sample CD the tunes which are contained in the “mini tunebook” appendix. This is a real deficiency, especially when she includes stuff like “Colonel Frazer.” One consideration, since you are on a tight budget, is that Clarke’s represents a good couple years of tunes and instruction (YMMV) for the cost of one book. While the NPU vids might end up costing more if you get them all. However, at a guess I would say that Clarkes stops at approximately the same level as the NPU Vol2. If you want anything beyond that, you’ll have to go to NPU 3 and (hopefully) 4.

Given your age and previous piping experience, I would be inclined to tell you to jump right in to the NPU vids. This applies to anyone with previous musical experience, a good ear, decent finger dexterity, and ambition. However, for others who are maybe a bit older, are starting from scratch with a muscial instrument, and/or have more modest finger dexterity, I can definitely understand why Clark is King (or Queen in this case). Much more measured approach, clear explanations, lighter embellishments, Clark has it all.

Well, all that aside, if you ever run into some money, I would recommend buying all the tutors you can get your hands on. It’s always useful to have things explained or demonstrated in different ways. And with Irish music, 5 different tutors could all have the same tune but played 5 different ways. I plan on going on to Clarke’s after I finish NPU Vol2 rather than continuing to Vol3 because I want to take time to get my basic embellishments solid, work on my musicality without having to worry about new technical bits, and expand my repertoire. Besides, a good review never hurt anyone. Then I’ll be sure not to be in over my head in Vol3. Like I said, just about any tutor can help you along the path. Hope this helps you make an informed decision about which may be right for you.
Good luck,
J.

“First you must learn the talk…”

“…And then, you must learn the grip…”

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