Are Burkes Any Good?

Call it insecurity, but I was afraid that if I just did another “I love my Burke” post, no one would read what I wanted to say. :slight_smile: Actually, I started posting hear to tell everyone how much I loved my new Sweetheart Professional, but just yesterday I received a new Burke D brass narrow bore–DBN. I thought I was set for life with the Sweetheart, but I kept hearing such good things about Burkes that I finally took the WhOA plunge. And I have to say I don’t regret it. So, for anyone who’s interested in how I think Sweethearts and Burkes stack up, or who are otherwise lacking in a real life, here are my observations.

Bottom line: these are both real quality whistles. They are similar in that they both have a rather pure sound, are quite responsive, and are very accurately tuned, but there are subtle differences.

In terms of tone, the Sweetheart has a somewhat bigger, more substantial sound–my wife says “more mellow.” In that respect you could say it has a bit of a woody sound, even though the wood laminate material is essentially a plastic. It’s also definitely louder than the Burke, throughout its range. However, the difference is not that great–the Burke is very sweet sounding and pleasing to my ear, and its volume is well balanced in both registers.

Playability: here the Burke has the edge–but, again, not a big edge at all, and not in all respects. The Burke is wonderfully responsive, quick and light, easily controlled throughout its range. The Sweetheart is equally responsive throughout most but not all of its range–you have to pay some attention to what you’re doing to work with high B and above, whereas the Burke is no sweat even at its top end. Also, shifting between registers requires a little more attention for the bigger shifts on the Sweetheart–it’s not normally a big deal, but it’s no deal at all on the Burke.

Both whistles give many good options for C natural, which I really appreciate. An interesting benefit on the Sweetheart is ease of half holing, including Eb (on a D whistle): because the holes on the Sweetheart are quite large, it’s quite practical to accurately hit Eb by retracting R3. That’s not needed too often, but I have a rather favorite tune (Finnish Wood) that requires frequent use of F natural and Eb, and it works very nicely on the Sweetheart. Also, the Sweetheart low G# xxoxxx is quite acceptable, whereas on the Burke you really don’t have much choice but to half hole.

Breath requirements: very reasonable for both, but the Burke is more consistent and more moderate. The Sweetheart definitely needs more at the top end, but except in special circumstances its not an issue–certainly not compared with something like a Susato.

My conclusion: I like them both extremely well, and which one I use at any given time will probably depend on the effect I’m looking for on a particular tune.

Elendil, great review. That makes me feel good. I just talked to Mike on Monday night and ordered an ALPRO D NB. He said that he had a shipment of whistles going out on Tuesday and that he would try to send my whistle out with that shipment. If he was able to, I should have it tomorrow or Saturday. I’m keeping my fingers crossed.

I absolutely love my walnut Sweetheart for all the reasons you stated. I got it on eBay for $50 as a ‘starter’ high end whistle. Next high end I want a whistle that sounds like the Sweetheart..and was actually thinking about Burkes. But I really like brewerpauls whistles…and the black Sweethearts with the silver rings…heck, I’ll just get them all (and live in a cardboard box). :slight_smile:

Odd timing…after reading the thread last Friday night regarding the Burke narrow bore, I faxed an order to Mike early Saturday morning. The whistle was in my mailbox on Tuesday morning! I am really blown away…this is the best soprano whistle I have ever played, bar none. I had been planning on ordering an Abell soon, but I think buying this Burke may have just saved me the $300 I’d have spent on the Abell.

Blackhawk, did you get the aluminum, brass or composite narrow bore?

I just faxed in my order a couple of days ago for one of Burke’s pro session d model. This will be my first higher end whistle, being mainly a flute player. I got to play one before I ordered it and I really liked it.
Why did you guys choose the narrow bore model over the session model?
I guess i really liked how you could push it a bit while playing without it jumping octaves to give it a more flutey feel if you will. -William

When I spoke to Mike on Monday, he said that the NB was very balanced across both octaves. He described the session as being a bit stronger in the upper part of the lower register, which meant to me a bit weaker in the lower part (relatively speaking). All of the whistles I have now are cheepies and are very weak on the low end. I wanted more balance.

When I asked Mike about differences in sound, he said that there was a tonal difference between the NB and the session but that the difference was slight. He also said that the session was slightly louder but not by much. For me, quieter works better.

Oops, I forgot to mention that! I got the brass, Mike! :slight_smile:

William, I damaged my ears long ago, in working construction without earplugs, so the higher octave B is out of the question on any whistle (it also limits the tunes I can play). I have the wide bore Burke (brass) and it’s just a tad too loud for me. Although it sounds wonderful, I simply can’t play it without pain. When I saw in that thread last week that the narrow bore is about the size of the Gen (my favorite cheapie), I decided to gamble on it, and it’s just enough quieter to be exactly what I need.

GEEZ!!! What sort of a silly question is that to ask?!?

I finally got my Low-G (composite) fixed, after an unfortunate Christmas incident, because I couldn’t do without my favourite whistle any longer. At the same time I ordered the aluminum Low-A. After a couple of very short days it magically appeared in the mail and I have been playing it ever since. It certainly runs a close, close second to the composite as being my favourite. Yes I have a Copeland and 3 Overtons but the Burke simply sounds better to my ear.

As funds permit, I’m working my way up the scale on the Burkes…the Bb being next on my list.

I would suggest that everybody absolutely needs to own at least a couple of Burkes but then it would be harder for me to order new ones :stuck_out_tongue:

Blackhawk, I’m sure glad you like your Burke. :slight_smile: My brass NB is so nearly perfect that I think it has permanently cured my WhOA. I don’t like to talk about it too much because I get so enthusiastic that it begins to sound like hype.

William, the session and the narrow bore are very similar. The session is a little louder and takes a little more air. It also seems to have a slightly richer tone, maybe, I’m not positive. It would be nice to see a harmonic analysis of the two whistles for comparison. I have some software which is supposed to do that, but I haven’t installed it yet. It is just a bit more relaxing to play the narrow bore, and it is the one I reach for most often.

Mike, I would appreciate it if you would post your impressions of the aluminum NB when you get it. I don’t know of anyone else who has one except me. The tone and responsiveness of mine are a little different from the brass NB. I find that it needs to be played more aggressively, and the tone is slightly more penetrating.

Good review, elendil.

Hmmm…I’ve had two Burkes (both DAS AlPro) and passed on both. Both were weak on the bottom two notes and Cnat OXXOOO was barely passable. I loved the quality, Mike’s service, but in the final analysis couldn’t settle to the whistle (the second was a replacement for the first).

Yet I keep reading all these glowing reports. Maybe I should’ve gone for the NB instead…?

I have owned a Burke NB for quite some time. I took some playful flack on the board, many months ago, about my championing of Mike’s creations. I made the decision to back off a bit on Burke threads. In that light, let add something different in the way of a comparison…

Our band’s engineer has some interesting things to say about how he handles the D NB, the D Alpro, and the D Brass Pro, from a sound reinforcement standpoint… He does not prefer any over any other. He says that from an amplified, audience viewpoint, the 3 instruments are very different sounding…

The fullest and warmest sound comes from the Brass Pro. Absolutely… Distance from mic can be 6 inches, or less.

The AlPro is more pure sounding to him, but it does not ‘cut through’ any differently, overall, than the Brass Pro. He prefers the Brass Pro for backing vocals and for duets with my partner’s copper Parkhursts…He prefers the AlPro standard bore for fast, solo work. We use it for things like Cooley’s Reel…The engineer wants my distance from the mic to be about 8 or 9 inches with the standard AlPro…

And then there is the aluminum NB. Our engineer says this instrument works incredibly well on material that needs to go very high - and stay there. We use it on Picard’s ‘Ressikan Air’, ‘Countess Kathleen,’ from Riverdance, and the like. the purity of sound, and lack of any harshness works wonders. And yet, subjectively, he says the NB cuts through exceptionally well… He always suggests that a distance of 12 inches or a little more works best with this instrument.

Again, these comments are concerning what my engineer hears from the house speakers. Just our $.02…
Best.
Byll

I have owned a Burke NB for quite some time. I took some playful flack on the board, many months ago, about my championing of Mike’s creations. I made the decision to back off a bit on Burke threads. In that light, let add something different in the way of a comparison…

Our band’s engineer has some interesting things to say about how he handles the D NB, the D Alpro, and the D Brass Pro, from a sound reinforcement standpoint… He does not prefer any over any other. He says that from an amplified, audience viewpoint, the 3 instruments are very different sounding…

The fullest and warmest sound comes from the Brass Pro. Absolutely… Distance from mic can be 6 inches, or less.

The AlPro is more pure sounding to him, but it does not ‘cut through’ any differently, overall, than the Brass Pro. He prefers the Brass Pro for backing vocals and for duets with my partner’s copper Parkhursts…He prefers the AlPro standard bore for fast, solo work. We use it for things like Cooley’s Reel…The engineer wants my distance from the mic to be about 8 or 9 inches with the standard AlPro…

And then there is the aluminum NB. Our engineer says this instrument works incredibly well on material that needs to go very high - and stay there. We use it on Picard’s ‘Ressikan Air’, ‘Countess Kathleen,’ from Riverdance, and the like. the purity of sound, and lack of any harshness works wonders. And yet, subjectively, he says the NB cuts through exceptionally well… He always suggests that a distance of 12 inches or a little more works best with this instrument.

Again, these comments are concerning what my engineer hears from the house speakers. Just our $.02…
Best.
Byll

Byll, a very interesting comparison. It was even better the second time through. LOL.

Wish I knew what did that, Mike. I know other people have been plagued with it…First time for me…
Who knows, maybe this post will go double…
Best.
Byll

Something strange going on here, Mike. I posted a response to your post, saying that double posts had never plagued me before, and that I don’t know what causes them. THAT post is lost in data heaven…It never posted. If this one does not go through, I will know something is awry. It would be poetic justice if both posts showed up - double…
cheers.
Byll

Re-booted school i-Mac. Both my posts magically appeared. I love computers. Sorry for wasting bits and bytes.
Best.
Byll

Sorry to disagree, but I played a brass Burke at the session last night (pre-perturbed bore) and was underwhelmed.

Oh, it’s clear and in tune, but emotionally flat and colorless. An the owner couldn’t start everyone playing a session tune with it, but my Copeland could.

My brass Copeland has character, is sweeter, plays louder and plays softer than the Burke.

I can see how the Burke would work into a PA mic, because it is compressed in volume.

That’s also my impression of the old wide bore brass model. The newer models are far better, IMHO. With whom are you disagreeing?