YAWN (Yet Another Whistle Newbie) -- Intro and Questions

I thought I’d go ahead and introduce myself thoroughly, then ask a couple of questions. (Warning: It seems to have gotten rather long, so you may want to just stop reading here.)

My name is Mike Wright. I’m 61 years old, retired from the US Army in 1982 (with 20 years in, and as an MI MSG for those who might care), now a sort of self-employed (AKA unemployed) Mac programmer. I was born in Texas and partly raised there, as well as in some other Gulf Coast states, but have been in California since my retirement. I speak a bit of Japanese and a couple of Chinese languages, but no Gaelic.

I’ve played guitar for about 40 years, mostly flatpicking Bluegrass and fiddle tunes for the past 30. That includes only a handful of Irish tunes, done in a style that surely no ITM player would find acceptable. I’ve also played mandolin, 5-string banjo, and bass in Bluegrass bands, and even a little fiddle, long, long ago. (If you’re interested in flatpicking, I have a Web site on the subject. Check out my tablature and sound files at http://www.coastalfog.net/flatpick/tablature/tab_main.html )

I’ve played a bit on Chinese bamboo flutes and wooden whistles over the past 30-some-odd years, but mostly just Chinese and Appalachian folk songs, with no particular ideas about style or technique. I also have a little all-cedar pentatonic whistle, a Choroi, from Sweden, given to me by a friend about 25 years ago. I’ve spent a fair amount of time with it.

None of my flutes and whistles are much in tune. The Choroi is pretty unstable if you blow hard enough to bring it up to pitch. (It’s tuned D E G A B d e, and I can hit g–sort of, and something that vaugely resembles F#. Half-holing works, but I’m not very good at it on any but the slowest tunes.)

Finally, I owned a standard silver flute for a short while, but didn’t like it much. The higher octaves got too weird.

I can read standard notation haltingly for guitar and mandolin.

I’ve seen cheap pennywhistles in music stores, and thought about getting one, but never followed through, not really knowing much about them. Then, about a week back, I went to a Web site to check on building my own CR-123A batteries for my Nikon speedlight, noticed the there was a page on tin whistles, clicked the link, saw a Copeland, and it was all over. I searched the Web, found this board and some other sites, and read for hours and hours.

So, now I have three high D whistles on their way (Feadog, Clarke original, Dixon tunable [but not with the brass slide]), along with L.E. McCullough’s “Complete Irish Tinwhistle Tutor” w/CD, and Walton’s “Ireland’s Best Slow Airs” w/CDs. I expect all but the Clarke to arrive on Jan. 6, and the Clarke by the 9th.

In the meantime, I’ve been visiting Web sites, listening to lots of music, and reading instructions–just to get my mind in gear. Based on what I saw here, I read through Brother Steve’s site, and that led me to the Sessioneer’s site. I used my Choroi to try out a few things, but the fingering is so different that most of it didn’t apply.

My last point is that I am pretty much house-bound. My wife is bed-ridden (from a stroke over 5 years back), so I seldom manage to get out of the house, except when my son can cover for me–and he tends to be pretty busy. I have some friends who come over occasionally for Bluegrass-oriented jam sessions, but don’t expect to get involved with other whistlers at all.

As a result, my main interest is in slow airs. If I get really comfortable with the whistle, I may branch out, but I don’t have much interest in sitting around playing jigs and reels by myself. I know most of the tutorials on the Web will concentrate on those, but I can live with that.

So that’s my situation–now for the questions.

Does anyone here use thumb rests? I’ve ordered one for my Dixon, but they don’t come small enough for the Feadog or the Clarke. I’m sure I could fabricate some for those two. I suppose my real question is whether there are any arguments against using a thumb rest–other than “real Irish musicians don’t use thumb rests”.

Are there any tutorials that concentrate pretty heavily on slow airs–printed or on the Web? I’d guess that the airs tend to be a bit less defined than the other forms, so perhaps they’re hard to generalize for teaching purposes?

I think the Walton’s CDs will provide me with a lot of listening. Is there anything else that I absolutely should have in that style? I don’t mind if there are a few other types of tunes included.

I hope to restrain my already growing WAD (whistle acquisition disorder) for several months while I go though tutorials and learn the whistles I already have, but it’s probably hopeless. Given my preference for slow airs, which whistles would y’all recommend? My taste runs to mounful with, maybe, just a touch of stridency.

I want to play things that will make people cry (but not from terrible tone). Although I assume that a really advanced player can do whatever he or she desires with about any whistle, I’d prefer to start with something that I don’t have to fight with to get the sound I want. (All this is assuming that my brain is not alread too petrified to learn a whole new instrument.)

Having few other vices, I’m not too worried about price, but it seems that I’ve seen it mentioned that some of the higher end whistles can be quite a bit harder to play, so just getting the most expensive may not be the way to go at this stage in my (lack of) development.

Sorry for rambling on, but I figgered I might as well be clear about what I was asking, and why. Thanks to those who have read this far. I’ll try to be briefer in future posts.

Hi, Mike, my name is Bill Whedon. I, like you, am a late-starter on whistle, but I’ve got some time on ya. I’ve been playing about a year and a half. I read sheet music haltingly, ABC not at all, and learnt everything I know just by playing along with CDs and other kind folks who could put up with some squeeks and off-key squawks.

I highly recommend learning to play the scale on the whistle, paying absolutely no attention to the notes, and then try playing along with some music you like. My first learning piece was “On Castle Rock” on the Connie Dover “Somebody” album. Lovely piece, slow enough to learn, enough funky stuff to learn, and when you can play it, you’ve accomplished something and proven to yourself that you can play. That last is the most important single step, AFAIC.

Then you get down to business, with a really cool CD like “Teantrai”, available from Shanna Quay, and “The Rough Guide to Irish Music”, from just about anyplace, including Best Buy, and pick some stuff to play along with!

Once you have one or two each of slow, medium, and fairly fast pieces under your belt, and you want to be able to play stuff you can’t find on CD, it’s time to pick up the sheet music and learn to read. That will take some time, believe me! :slight_smile:

Thumbrests: Personally, I don’t use them, even though I have some fairly heavy whistles. If the whistle is well-balanced, you won’t need a rest, and using one can promote carpal tunnel syndrome if you use it all the time (Carpal Tunnel is an RSI or Repetitive Stress Injury, and can be aggravated by keeping constantly in the same hand position). I’d say don’t use a rest if you can get by without one.

Well, that’s about all the wisdom I have for now. No need to get all worried about anything, hey, it’s just playtime! PM me if you have any specific questions you think I might be able to answer. You’ve definitely come to the right place, though, here at Chiff and Fipple! This board is really full of very bright, helpful whistle folk! You’ll have fun here!

Cheers,

Welcome Mike. I always love hobnobbing with folks whose interests and experiences are as varied as yours!

Hiya neighbor! I live up near Santa Cruz, but lived on the Monterey Peninsula for several years back when I was first married. There are quite a few of us whistle types up here in north/central California, so you’re in good company.

Welcome!

Redwolf

Welcome, Mike. I don’t really have anything to add to what Bill and emmline said. I’ve only been playing/practicing since September. I have a thumbrest on two of my whistles, but don’t really notice that they help much.

“The Gallery of Regrettable Food”?? !! Gawd, Em! Even the name got a larf outta me! Are you quite certain my mom didn’t write it!?
ROFL!

Hi, Mike, and welcome!

I think you’ll do just fine with the whistles you picked out, especially the Dixon for airs. You can play just about anything with the ones that are on the way to you, and you might even decide to play faster tunes at some point.

Check out Mick’s virtual whistle; there are some really pretty airs there:

http://www.fingertrip.net/whistle/index.html

Since you are already a musician, I suspect all you will have to do after learning to control the airflow and fingering is to decide how you want to play and it will come. Whistle really isn’t very hard.

Have fun!

Robin

Yay and Amen, Robin! :slight_smile:

Hiya, Mike!

I’m another northern California whistler, just up the road from you in San Jose - just a whippersnapper at 44, though.

Been playing a bit over a year myself - I do have more background in woodwinds (been playing recorder since 8 or so, with a bit of Sax, Oboe, and Clarinet during my teens) but probably less in-depth musical experience.

You can learn a lot from the better tutorials and CDs, but a big part of learning is listening - get some good Irish music CDs (not just whistle - I’ve picked up good ideas from solos on just about any melody instrument) and listen to them. It seems the more I play, the more I pick up that way - bits of technique I didn’t even notice the first time I heard a piece now seem painfully obvious.

If you’re willing to consider another tutorial, Bill Ochs Clarke Tinwhistle Tutor has lots of tunes - not just Irish, but also English, Scottish, and American (tinwhistle works very well for a lot of American fiddle tunes)

Most of all, have fun - I know I do, even if I have driven my wife and kids to the brink of Insanity :stuck_out_tongue:

I’ve played a lot of whistle and wooden flute with
a blue grass oriented band–these go really well,
just that the musicians didn’t know about
these instruments, I reckon. Anyhow
it’s nowhere written that these
instruments are limited to
celtic music.

You might consider playing Irish flute, too,
especially if you’re interested in playing
beautiful tunes. Very expressive and
you can get a good beginner’s flute
for less than a high end whistle.
I started playing flute at 60, by the way.

susato makes thumb rests that fit lots of
whistles, but probably nothing will fit
a soprano whistle, unless you
make it yourself. As people are
saying, they’re hardly needed.
Welcome aboard, Jim

Thanks Robin. I based my purchase of the Dixon on some comments I read here describing its sound. I added in the others later, just for comparison.

You’re right about Mick’s stuff. “Turas go Tír na nÓg” in particular is absolutely wonderful. “Amhrán A Leabhair” is another. I think that after I work my way through a few tutorials, I’ll just settle down and see how close I can come to playing those two over the next couple of years–or however long it takes.

After all, I had a friend in the Army who decided to teach himself piano by learning Bach fugues, one after another. At first, I thought he was insane, but he was surprisingly successful. At least I enjoyed listening to him.

Good thing I have a copy of “Teach Yourself Gaelic”, so that I can learn to at least approximate the pronunciations of some of the songs that I learn to play.



If any of y’all in the general area find yourselves heading down to the Monterey area for the Aquarium or golf, or whatever, stop by and play a few tunes at me. You can e-mail me for my address. I’m not far off 101.

And thanks to everyone for your advice and welcomes. Great group here.

Welcome aboard Mike,
I too have some bakground in other instruments, simular to yours. I longed to get started on whistle and jumped in 2 months ago. So far I’ve managed to build a copper tubbing “D” and it turned out fair. Just put in an order for a Hoover Soprano D so I can practice without disturbing anyone. Have a JF tweaked Sweatone D on the way and very interested in slow airs. Also bought pretty much the same CD music lesson package. I also have a little all-cedar pentatonic whistle, a Choroi, from Sweden. The gang helped me find out information about it just a few days ago. So you see you have made IMHO good choices and most importantly, joining this group was the most important one :smiley: . They have been great in support and every time I read more postings, I learn more valuable information. My birthday is fast approaching and hitting 60 this month. Also just moved here from Sacramento a year ago. They also warned me about WHoA. And try as I might, I still caught it :laughing:
So my friend, as you now see “your not alone”
Have lots of fun

Welcom Mike , i just started playing whistle myself and waiting for my whistle and book to come in the mail..Good Luck and have some fun


Robert

Funny that you have the Choroi, too. I have some interest in the Hoover, too. I tend to stay up till well after 2 am, though I’m trying to regularize my habits. The rest of the family is generally in bed well before midnight (because they have to go to school and to work), and I don’t want to drive them too crazy. I’d love to hear how you like it.

What do you think of the tweaked Sweetone? I almost bought a tweaked Shaw, but decided to go with the original Clarke, on sale for $6.00. I see so many people putting down that I had to have one. I’m very worried that two years from now I’ll have about fifty whistles and still won’t be able to play.

It’s good to have the experts, but it’s also good to have folks that are pretty much in the same boat to compare notes with.

I let my 16-year-old granddaughter hear some of the slow airs from Mick’s site while I was helping her with her physics homework, then left her to use my computer to chat with her friends (her machine being dead at the moment), and I could hear that she was playing them over an over. That’s pretty cool, because our tastes in music don’t normally coincide. She doesn’t care for the Bluegrass I play at home, and likes the Tejano stuff I listen to in the car even less. Maybe I’ll get her interested in music after all.

my opinion- loose the thumb rests. try without. if you have trouble, then go back to them.

the best whistes are made without them. you do not want to need a crutch if you do not have to.

i greatly admire your service to your country. if you are ever planning to be down in LA, give me a ring- i am there often.

meir

Welcome Mike.

warning! advice from a beginner follows…

I’m a former Army guy too, and also lived on the Monterey Peninsula. I was a student at the Monterey Institute (for Chinese no less). That was 30 years ago. I loved my years spent on the Monterey Peninsula. Like redwolf I lived in Pacific Grove…on the same street.

I’ve been playing whistle now for over three years and love it, and my favorite whistle is my Sindt. About thumbrests, I play my big low D by Susato and don’t use the thumbrest, it seems to just get in the way. The soprano whistles are so light you would never need a rest, and besides, the way you hold them, a thumb rest would seem irrelevant. About a year ago I started playing the simple system flute, and learned the basics on a glass flute by Hall…nothing an IrTrad player would probably condone, but then I’m not just interested in ITM. I agree with Jim Stones’ comments about flutes. I love the sound that a flute makes, and its probably easier to make people cry on the flute than any other instrument. I just started playing a stripped down flute by Casey Burns, the casey Burns Folk flute ($250), you can read reviews in the flute forum, but I am happy with it.

If you are looking for more books to go with your tutorial that have some nice songs, I just know that you will love A Dossan of Heather (Mel Bay) with tunes by Packie Manus Byrne. The last tune in the book (Ar thaobt na Carraige - By the side of the rock) is an air that is so beautiful that it is worth the price of the book itself. It has a CD which I strongly recommend.

edited to correct typos

Hi, and welcome!

I don’t have much to add over what’s already written, but I did want to say a bit about the thumb rest thing.

On a normal-sized (high D) whistle, you grip the whistle with the right thumb and right little finger, and then lightly with the lips. That gives you three points of contact and a stable hold.

I’ve a couple of high D whistles that came with thumbrests–a Susato SB and a Susato VSB–but the first thing I did was remove the thumbrests. They do indeed just get in the way.

It sounds like you have some good whistles coming, so I think you’re pretty much set.

You may want to look at tutors and books at some point–I think the very best to start with is the Bill Ochs book. It starts on a very basic level but takes you through learning ornamentation and some really good tunes. That book alone can keep you busy for months.

–James

My wife just got through telling me I needed to get off the late shift and try to be normal :laughing: I haven’t received the Sweatone yet, on the way. I ordered a Hoover because 1. so many knowing people recommended them and needed a low volume whistle so I can practise without shame or guilt. Besides as a ex-quality guru, I liked what I saw and the makers attitude. Mack is a very nice guy and is customer focused. I’ll let you know about both whistles when they come in. Got a hunch you and I are going to walk in the same shoes for sometime. You can PM me anytime.
P.S. You have been diagnosed with WHoA :open_mouth:

How cool! I went through DLI for Mandarin (1963), Japanese (1967-68), and Arabic (1973). The latter was about 30 years ago. I wonder if we were there at the same time. I was there again in 1979-80, on a team writing self-study texts for interrogators in Mandarin. I lived in Marina from 1982 to 2001, then moved here.

Thanks for the other info. The sentiment against thumb rests appears to be unanimous. I’m glad I bought just one.

(By the way, you can also make people cry with the banjo, but it’s more of a pure pain thing.)

And thanks again to everyone else for there responses. The other almost unanimous recommendation seems to be Bill Och’s book, so I guess I’ll get that eventually, too.