Willie Rowsome/ Koehler and Quinn

Re:comments made pertaining to Willie Rowsome on another thread.

I had the distinct pleasure of playing an old Willie Rowsome C# chanter a few weeks ago and it was a delight! I liked it even more than I thought I would. I have also played Kevin Rowsome’s WR C# chanter and it is also quite a treat to give it a go. I have recently played a D chanter made by Koehler and Quinn patterened and modified after a Willie Rowsome chanter and it is damn near perfect. I am quite impressed with this copy and believe that Koehler and Quinn have “hit it on the head” with their latest design. This chanter will revolutionize the D chanter experience for pipers in our time. Of course, I also believe they had a good stick to start with. My point is, give Mr. Willie Rowsome a lot of credit where credit is due. And, keep your eyes peeled and your ears opened as this new design by Koehler and Quinn starts to pop up at tionols.

When did C# chanters begin to come out? The only one I had heard of before was Niel Mulligan’s(beauty!). C# seems a bit odd as an intentional choice for tuning. Was this done as part of the developement on the way to concert pitch, or were ther specific instruments these were designed to play with. Or was it intended to keep a set of pipes the beautiful solo instrument it can be? :laughing:
Marc

Many older pipes were based on standards before A=440 was adopted.

Isn’t just a bit above current C# ??

I would venture to say that all the K&Q chanters have been perfect. If you ever played one that wasn’t, it was probably the weather, or likely the bridle on the reed needed moved slightly. But good to hear you had a good day Lewis, thanks for the old news. :smiley:

Oh, if it’s new news, give us some details! The word “revolutionize” calls for a more specific description.

The early Rowsome D’ was’nt that “Cool” Leo brought it up to Scratch!,
“On old Pipes” there’s a picture of a W.Rowsome D chanter and a long
side a Taylor style chanter from Ebay, that asks questions, which is the better between the two, I’d like to know?. I think probably the Taylor style,

Anyone know how long the K&Q “D” Chanter length is,
“anyone got one” :sunglasses:

WHAT! The best sounding Rowsome chanters I’ve heard have been made by Willie. That’s Mick O’Brien’s D, Tom Dahill’s D, Gaby McKeagney’s stolen D, I think Benedict Koehler’s D is a Willie and I’m not sure what Kevin Rowsome plays, but I particularly like his C# sound… which is a Willie.

Patrick.

WHAT! better than that Willie Clany’s Taylor? :sunglasses:

Maybe, but you had said:

The early Rowsome D’ was’nt that “Cool” Leo brought it up to Scratch!

I was responding to your statement that Leo made them better. I just don’t think so. I am of the opinion that a good amount of knowledge was lost when Willie Rowsome died, knowledge that Leo either didn’t want to know or didn’t get around to learning. It seems to me that once Leo made his own set, which was a legendary set in it’s day, he decided he knew it all.

Patrick.

I think it was Tom Creegan that told me the concensus was that Leo’s early stuff was better, more often derived from his dad’s designs, but later on he liked to experiment more, which could be good or bad. I also remember reading somewhere that Willie’s first CP was a copy of someone’s Taylor, no big surprise there.

My 2002 K&Q D measures in at 14 3/16".

OK. First, I’ll qualify these comments as being my own observations. Perhaps David can clarify the issues and speak of the specifics or discredit my comments where appropriate.

First, the tone of the new chanter was fairly close to that of my own which is quite distinctive and precisely what I prefer in tonal character for a D chanter. I really like that about this new design. For the record, my K&Q chanter is designed after the Rowsome the Liam O’Flynn plays. As a testimony, my K&Q ranks amongst the best chanters you’ll ever play based on conversation I’ve had with several modern day greats in piping who have played it.

Second, although the chanter was playing with a new stiff reed that was set up to require a little more pressure than I was used to, it moved easily between the octaves. The octaves were in tune and there was not a shred of tape on the chanter.

Third, the e’s were dynamite, spot on, required no tape, no squawking if the upper octave e was attempted to be overblown. All the e problems with D chanters seemed fixed…at least to my ear they did.

Fourth, the back d was stable, did not break, and quite lovely in sound and in tune with the whole chanter. There were no obvious C/C# compromises.

Fifth, the tone holes were placed in a manner that seemed more natural and also there was a minor amount of scalloping around them so that the chanter face was not rounded. Some, including Neillidh Mulligan, firmly believe chanters should not be round on the face where the fingers are placed.

To be honest, it took me a while of comparing this particular WR copy chanter to a nice Johnny Bourke copy K&Q had constructed and to my own LOF copy to realize what they had accomplished. The more time I spent with it the more I liked it. When the dust had settled, I still liked my original chanter better but that was because the reed set up is so that a lower pressure is required without volume compromise. Given the opportunity to play a WR copy set up as my current chanter is reeded there would be no question of which design would be more favorable. I asked BK about the way he had the reed set up and he implied that he too preferred an easier reed but that some of the important people who would try out the chanter and provide valuable feedback preferrred reeds that required more input and that is why he set it up as he did. My understanding is that the design does not, however, require a reed that needs more elbow. :adminok:

Cheers Chad, for the info, here’s a P.M. :sunglasses:

WHAT! The best sounding Rowsome chanters I’ve heard have been made by Willie. That’s Mick O’Brien’s D,

  • But Mick is playing a Froment chanter with his Rowsome set…?

Morten

No, not all the time. His Froment is a copy of his Willie R, but he plays both, probably depending on which is going better.

Patrick.

Come come now. Piper’s don’t steal chanters. That’s unheard of. Maybe if the rightful owner had been more patient with the thief and just let him take it and use it as long as he wanted it would have never had to have been stoled in the first place. The owner must have done something to provoke this thief.

Royce

From Pat D’Arcy’s Uilleann Pipes Obsession Page:

"STOLEN PIPES:
Gabriel McKeagney’s pipes have been stolen from within his house. Items include his:
Leo Rowsome practice set! In ebony, ivory and nickel ivory with a C natural key PHOTO
Andreas Rogge B chanter: stained black plumwood, no keys and wooden top.
Charles Roberts 1/2 set in brass, faux ivory and african blackwood.
Martin Kerrigan chanter and two regs in ebony, faux ivory and nickel silver.
Between 40 and 70 CD’s were stolen.
Nothing else of significance was stolen.

Please keep an eye out for these items and spread the word. I’m hoping to have photos up asap on my site of them to identify anything popping up on eBay etc. Anyone with leads please contact Gabriel at gmckeagney@cox.net "