Utterly OT: Bigfoot

An Associated Press report:

Man Who Claimed ‘Bigfoot’ Legend Dies</font size>
Thu Dec 5, 9:54 PM ET


SEATTLE (AP) - The man who used 16-inch feet-shaped carvings to create tracks that ignited the “Bigfoot” legend has died. He was 84.


Ray L. Wallace’s family admitted his role in the creature myth after his death Nov. 26 from heart failure.


“The reality is, Bigfoot just died,” his son, Michael, said.


In August 1958, a bulldozer operator who worked for Wallace’s construction company in Humboldt County, Calif., found huge footprints circling and then leading away from his rig.


The Humboldt Times in Eureka, Calif., coined the term “Bigfoot” in a front-page story about the phenomenon.


Family members said Wallace asked a friend to carve the wooden 16-inch-long feet that he and his brother Wilbur wore to create the tracks.


The nation — fascinated by tales of the Himalayan Abominable Snowman — quickly bought into the notion of a homegrown version.


“The fact is there was no Bigfoot in popular consciousness before 1958. America got its own monster, its own Abominable Snowman, thanks to Ray Wallace,” Mark Chorvinsky, editor of Strange magazine, told The Seattle Times.


Wallace cut a record of supposed Bigfoot sounds, printed posters of a Bigfoot sitting with other animals and provided films and photos that purported to show the creature eating elk and frogs, Chorvinsky said.


Chorvinsky believes the family’s admission raises serious doubts about key “proof” of Bigfoot’s existence: the so-called Patterson film, with its grainy images of an erect apelike creature striding away from the camera operated by rodeo rider Roger Patterson in 1967.


Wallace said he told Patterson where to spot a Bigfoot near Bluff Creek, Calif., Chorvinsky recalled. “Ray told me that the Patterson film was a hoax, and he knew who was in the suit.”

Michael Wallace said his father called the Patterson film “a fake” but claimed he’d had nothing to do with it. But he said his mother admitted she had been photographed in a Bigfoot suit, and that his father “had several people he used in his movies.”

The disclosure is not fazing others who study such creatures.

Jeff Meldrum, an associate professor of anatomy and anthropology at Idaho State University, says he has casts of 40 to 50 footprints he believes were made by authentic unknown primates.

“To suggest all these are explained by simple carved feet strapped to boots just doesn’t wash,” Meldrum said, noting 19th century accounts of such a creature.

Chorvinsky says those early reports were mistakes, myths or hoaxes.

Bigfoot lives!! -well who do you think actually plays those baritone whistles? Seriously though,people just love the strange/mysterious/‘Fortean’(now there’s a word i haven’t seen on this board before!)I wonder, now that Ray Wallace is dead(RIP)and his hoax has been revealed,whether ‘Bigfoot’ will also ‘die’ or whether the legend now has so much 'cultural momentum’if you will,that it effectively has a life of it’s own?Mind you,if i’m not mistaken,i always thought that bigfoot was an already existing native North American legend(?). Another thing about these so called 'mysteries’is that they seem to go in and out of fashion-i mean,not so many years ago,people were reporting seeing ufo’s and being abducted by ‘aliens’,but nowadays people(esp. in America),report encounters with 'Guardian angels’and the ‘aliens’ seem to have gone back home! A very interesting book on a related subject,is ‘Passport to Magonia’ by French computer scientist,Jacques Vallee.In this book,msr. Vallee compares historical tales of encounters with the ‘fairy folk’(many of these stories coming from the celtic lands)and modern ufo/alien encounters.All very interesting,if offbeat, stuff!If we really wanted to make a thread of this,i could ask if anyone out there has had any strange experiences to relate(hey,can anyone play the’X-Files theme?)!

Actually, I was once accused of being “BigFootinMouth” at a party. I swear it’s not true!

Philo

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No matter what they say, I still think Big Foot is out there.

I don’t know about Bigfoot, but ‘Stinkfoot’ sure is alive and kickin’! (This is an hilarious track on Frank Zappa’s marvelous ‘Apostrophe’ album’. Kevin’it’s not ALL Irish music you know’M.

On 2002-12-07 12:38, The Whistling Elf wrote:
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No matter what they say, I still think Big Foot is out there.

We NEED Bigfoot, the Yeti, Nessie, the Big Muddy Monster, little green men, and all those other mythical survivors. Not only do such tales keep newspaper writers and cryptozoologists in business, but modern science has already debunked too much of the wonder in the world. Why do “lost world” movies like the increasingly regrettable Jurassic Park movies keep popping up? Most of them really aren’t all that good, but the movie industry has never cared - nor suffered for making them.

With our alleged leaders lacking the imagination to see the value of exploring Space or the Ocean deeps, human imagination/curiosity needs an outlet. Besides, Bigfoot is uspposed to be big, hairy, smelly and devoid of language - he’d be the life of a fraternity party.

(Edited for spelling)

[ This Message was edited by: Chuck_Clark on 2002-12-07 13:48 ]

On 2002-12-07 11:43, kevin m. wrote:
Bigfoot lives!! -well who do you think actually plays those baritone whistles? Seriously though,people just love the strange/mysterious/‘Fortean’(now there’s a word i haven’t seen on this board before!)I wonder, now that Ray Wallace is dead(RIP)and his hoax has been revealed,whether ‘Bigfoot’ will also ‘die’ or whether the legend now has so much 'cultural momentum’if you will,that it effectively has a life of it’s own?Mind you,if i’m not mistaken,i always thought that bigfoot was an already existing native North American legend(?). Another thing about these so called 'mysteries’is that they seem to go in and out of fashion-i mean,not so many years ago,people were reporting seeing ufo’s and being abducted by ‘aliens’,but nowadays people(esp. in America),report encounters with 'Guardian angels’and the ‘aliens’ seem to have gone back home! A very interesting book on a related subject,is ‘Passport to Magonia’ by French computer scientist,Jacques Vallee.In this book,msr. Vallee compares historical tales of encounters with the ‘fairy folk’(many of these stories coming from the celtic lands)and modern ufo/alien encounters.All very interesting,if offbeat, stuff!If we really wanted to make a thread of this,i could ask if anyone out there has had any strange experiences to relate(hey,can anyone play the’X-Files theme?)!

Theoretically (at least what I was taught when I was a kid in Spokane, WA), some of the Northwestern Indians believed in a large, hairy, primate-like monster called “Sasquatch.” In fact, we were taught to refer to “Sasquatch” rather than “Big Foot.”

Whether this is true, or just a part of the larger hoax, I don’t know. I don’t recall any of the local tribes addressing the matter…but then, the word “Sasquatch” sounds more like something in one of the Coastal languages than something in Spokan or Nez Perce. In any case, “Sasquatch” has become such a part of Northwestern culture, I doubt he will ever entirely go away…heck, one of the local community colleges even has “Sasquatch” as its mascot!

Redwolf

Yes, Redwolf, that is exactly right. I live in Idaho, and the Nez Perce Indians all refer to ‘Big Foot’ as ‘Sasquatch.’ In fact, I’ve even heard some Indians as well as local hunters say that they’ve seen Sasquatch! And, they were deadly serious at the time… (in other words, it would have taken a mighty good actor to look completely serious during the telling of the tale)

Food for thought. :smiley:


~Quellecristiel/Heather

‘Go not to the Elves for counsil, for they will say both no and yes…’ Especially when concerning WhOA!

[ This Message was edited by: The Whistling Elf on 2002-12-07 19:53 ]

Yep, Sasquatch was around a long time before Bigfoot. I still believe!