Can anyone tell me more about this musician?He is mentioned by name by Bill Ochs in his Chiff and Fipple interview,and I’ve seen an album called 'Pure Traditional Irish Tinwhistle music’by him(This album incidentally has a totally sh*te cover,like one of those ultra-budget c.d.'s that you see in places that shouldn’t be selling albums, or tacky Irish tourist shops,- for all I know it may have some brilliant music inside!).He is described as ‘an all-Ireland whistling champion’ Am I missing a well kept secret?Should I take a chance, cough up the money and find out for myself? Information please!
Hi, Kevin,
If you are a tinwhistle enthusiast, then rest assured that this album is DEFINITELY for you! Hidden or not, this album IS a treasure.
I agree about the packaging, but don’t let it put you off! I was just grateful that the album was so inexpensive.
Like you I was aware that Tom’s playing is not discussed frequently on these forums. I did a brief websearch, which revealed little, but did indicate that Tom has, unfortunately, passed away.
If any other people on the forum can provide a little more information about Tom, I would be very pleased to find out more.
I hope the album brings you the same pleasure as I have drawn from it, Kevin.
Best wishes from Adrian
Thanks for the recommendation Adrian,‘don’t hear a c.d. from it’s cover’-to update an old saying!Anyhow,I’ve gone ahead and ordered this album(together with ‘The branch line’ by the Coen brothers),so I’m looking forward to some good listening! I see that the album is Whistle and guitar only,so I hopefully expect it to be pretty much straight ahead 'purish drop’stuff. I had done a quick net search myself without bringing up any hard info. on Tom and his music-though I expected that a name check by Bill Ochs should count for something.Please keep the information coming,if anyone else can enlighten me.
I have an old OUTLET record that perhaps the CD was later made from. The notes on the back don’t say too much except that he is from Roscommon and that he won the 1966 All Ireland Whistling Championship which was held at Boyle.
The late Tom McHale was the brother of flute and whistle player Mike McHale (still living…Mike plays and teaches in New York State). An outstanding whistle player indeed.
Mike also won the All-Ireland, in 1959 or 60, I believe, for his rendition of The Skylark and Roaring Mary. I believe he was the one who made that set popular, in fact.
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Mike also won the All-Ireland, in 1959 or 60, I believe, for his rendition of The Skylark and Roaring Mary. I believe he was the one who made that set popular, in fact.
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I always thought it was Joe Cooley who did that. Made the set popular, that is, not won the All Ireland whistle title…
Yes it was Cooley but Kieran Collins also played those tunes a lot on the tin whistle.
Ken
Funny, I heard somewhere that Joe Cooley had learned that set from Mike McHale! Someone should ask Mike himself…
Edit: Oops, didnt read Brad’s previous post. So we’re talking about the McHale’s. Darn, I really have to get Tom’s CD.
Ok wait a minute, is it “Tom McHaile” or “Tom McHale”, and is Mike McHale Tom’s brother? I’m a big fan of Mike.
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Brad,
Have you got Mike’s rendition of Roaring Mary? It’s not on his CD, he has the famous set Green Mountain/Skylark which I play every hour, but no Roaring.
The album cover clearly spells Tom’s surname as ‘McHaile’. I eagerly await this album now!
I don’t have any recording of Mike playing Skylark/Roaring Mary.
I’m pretty sure he was the first to put those two reels together, and Joe Cooley got the set either directly or indirectly from Mike’s playing. Cooley’s playing (and recording) of that set brought it into wider populatity. At least that’s what I think I remember hearing from Mike one time.
On the spelling: I’ve seen Tom’s surname spelled “McHaile,” but Mike spells his name “McHale.”
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On 2003-01-06 15:02, bradhurley wrote:
Mike also won the All-Ireland, in 1959 or 60, I believe, for his rendition of The Skylark and Roaring Mary. I believe he was the one who made that set popular, in fact.
Did they change the rules sometime along the line? I thought you could only play single tunes in competition, no sets.
Mike was one of my first teachers and he did indeed win the all Ireland with the Skylark/Roaring Mary set - which he says he learned from his dad.
As for the Tom McHale record - I’ve got it. It’s superb. It has been tremendously influtential on many, many of the “great” whistle players around today. Find it if you can. If not, get Mike’s album “The Schoolmaster’s House”.
Best,
Chris
Have to register a dissenting opinion, guys. This thread stirred a dim memory in my mind and rooting around in a box of old tapes, found a copy of this record that someone gave me years ago. I listened to it once then and am just listening to it now and remembering why.
I really don’t find much to like about the record. A nice style, sure, but I find the whole thing sounds bland - as though he was very unhappy in front of the microphone. It has a Comhaltas “Shhhh! This is your CULTURE!” feel about it, with Tom announcing each tune in stitled fashion. I also get a distinct touch of seasick in the slippy-slidy slow tunes and the chromatic marches, which together with the bathroom echo and the Peter-Paul-and-Mary guitar accompaniment…
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Steve,
Do you think the same of Mike McHale’s album? I just love the CD, and if you don’t like both, it means I might have a chance to fall in love with Tom’s playing.
LOL
Well, I actually sort of agree with Steve here… let me explain. My dad got me the Tom McHale record at a flea-market a number of years ago as a gift. I listened to it once and was thoroughly unimpressed, especially by the gawdawful accompaniment (the curse strikes again). A couple years later I listened to it again and appreciated it quite a bit more. I especially appreciated that there was absolutely nothing fancy about it - I’d been listening to McGoldrick, Solas and Lunsasa, so something as threadbare as the McHale recording was really refreshing for me and the start of my journey in that direction.
I do agree, however,that the recording itself is not really that good compared to many others… they both seem a little bored and uncomfortable, as if Comhaltas gave them 1 hour of studio time to get the entire record down with no retakes and a pre-approved tune-list. However, from studying with Mike McHale, I had a really good idea of how Tom must have sounded outside of the studio and I was able to fill the gaps in with my mind and with my enthusiasm for the music.
So, yeah, it’s not the best album in the world, but I think it’s definately worth having, especially for such a low price. Whether the recording or the performing is up to par or not, many of todays top whistle and flute players have mentioned Tom McHale as a big influence and I think it’s worth a good listen.
Best,
Chris
Does Mike McHale have an e-mail address?
He probably does, but I don’t have it.
Chris
Well,the album arrived today,and i’m giving it a quick listen as i write! I too get the distinct impression that Tom didn’t feel very comfortable in the studio-as if he’s slightly hesitant.Incidentally,I don’t know if the tracks are arranged as recorded,but the musicians DO seem to improve on each successive tune(maybe just my ears).The slow airs DO contain a lot of slurring and sliding about,the two march set that opens the album(Centenary and Hynes)are probably the least successful tracks-spoilt imho by some rather nausea inducing slurring(I must agree with you there Stevie).Far,far more successful are the jig and reel sets,‘skylark/roaring Mary’ is Very good,I also enjoyed ‘the sweep’s hornpipe’ and reel ‘Sean Na Cro’.The cover identifies the guitar accompanist as Den Warwick,and states tunes as "ALL traditional arr. F. Gilligan.I think that some of the accompaniment sounds a bit 'cobbled together’and that the slow airs might have been better recorded solo. This is the Outlet label album with ‘stilted spoken tune intro’s’.The cover Does look cheap and nasty,But what I took to be whistles on a jacket lying on the ground,busker like,is actually three Feadog mk1’s propped up against some rocks!(it WAS a very small picture on the vendor’s site!).All in all though,I would say that this is a fairly enjoyable album,it’s already starting to grow on me by the minute-I feel that this is the kind of material that will actually TEACH me more to play in an authentic I-Trad style,rather than some of the more ‘polished’ performances by todays ‘star players’.A worthy addition to my collection.