The New Humphrey "Stealth" Whistles

I am the lucky customer to receive the first batch of Gary Humprey’s newly redesigned " Stealth " whistles. As such , I just wanted to share my impressions with those of you who are wondering about the changes, are familiar with Gary’s work , or are considering the purchase of another whistle to help ease your WHoa’s :laughing:

It occurs to me that this commentary would hold far more weight if it came from Dale , Bloomfield , Jessie , Byll , or many of the fine and talented people who post regularly. So , I feel compelled to thank you for taking the time to read this post and tell you just a bit about me. I’m probably the World Record Holder for the “Fine Art of Lurking” on the C&F Boards (been doing it for years) :slight_smile: Since living in the “Black Hole of Whistledom” is a bit of a “restraint” to a person’s normal progression through whistling , C&F has been a major source of information. Many thanks to Dale and the rest of you !!

Some of the members know me (mostly from my various whistle purchases) as a player , not a collector. I play both publicly and privately… on a regular basis. My tastes run mainly to Gospel , Folk , and Irish Traditional. (me great grand pa came from Cork and I play by ear… so it’s allowed. lol ) I’m not , however , a purist. I truly just enjoy playing a whistle ! You might hear me doing O’Carolan today and Manchini tomorrow ! ( Don’t laugh ! Try something from “The Thornbirds” or the “Pink Panther Theme” on a whistle. It’s fun !! ) My whistles include Clarkes , Waltons , Jerry-Tweaked Sweetones and Shaws , Humphreys , Greenwoods , Copelands , Burkes , and Overtons. So, as they say , " I’ve been around the bush !" My human history is probably much the same as most of your’s. I’ll never give Mary Bergin a run for her money , but , by God’s Grace , I’m having fun and progressing quite nicely … Thank ye kindly ! So , here’s my thoughts.

First , I would like to thank Gary , publicly , for the wonderful job that he did on my whistles and for the considerate and professional manner in which he conducts business. He commented that he felt that this was his best work , yet. I’m just really happy to be the beneficiary of his craftsmanship. In the whistle community , we are fortunate to have quite a number of men and women who have placed their craft , their artistry and their love for this humble instrument above the race for profit. They do it … because they love it !! Of these , Gary is one of the best and makes top rate products. Certainly , whistles that I’m proud to own !!

I ordered 4 whistles. A Narrow Bore D , a D/C set , and 2 Low G’s . I had purchased a B/B flat/A set from one of the board members and was so impressed that I wanted to pick up some of my more commomly used keys and give my pastor the Low G whistle that he had been praying about. Unlike some of the whistle makers around , Gary is a good communicator and easy to work with. If you have a question or concern , Gary will address your concerns , make suggestions , and give you frank and honest answers. He also gives you updates and accurate estimates about completion times for your order. I find that … considerate !

The whistles arrived last Wednesday , well packaged and exactly when Gary said they would. For a better idea of their appearance , check Gary’s website. The pictures really don’t do them justice. The words that come to mind are “solid” and "well crafted ". They are not as light as you would expect from low end whistles , but , if you’re used to a Generation or Feadog , you won’t find these much heavier. They are much lighter than some of the other high end models. If you are familiar with Humphrey whistles , that feature is pretty much the same.

The big difference is in the newly redesigned “Stealth” head. These are supposed to “mimic” the appearance of the low enders to avoid the low-end vs. high-end nonsense common in some sessions. Actually , it accomplishes that quite well. From a distance , the new model bears a definite resemblence to a Feadog type whistle. The heads are milled from black acetal and joined with an acetal pin. On the previous version , the step down “collar’’ was just above the windway. On the new version , it’s just below the base of the ramp. The windway has been changed from a straight C-shaped passage to a D-shaped one that tapers to a C shape as it approaches the window. As Gary puts it , " I’ve started making my windways D-shaped at the beak, tapering into C-shaped… like Mike Burke used to do with his whistles. This modification has produced a much more focused airstream with no obstructions, resulting in a noticeably sweeter tone.” I couldn’t have said it better ! All of my new whistles are easier blowing with a richer sweeter tone.

Since we each have our own ideas regarding the perfect whistle or the perfect sound , I’ll just give you the highlights that impressed me with each of these new whistles:

Narrow Bore D - What a delightful little whistle ! Some of the board members ( and Gary , himself ) had commented that this was their favorite D. It’s a very responsive whistle , easy blowing , and has a sweet round tone , with just a hint of chiff. For playing at home , recording , or with amplification in performance , there’s nothing that this little gem can’t handle.

Standard D/C set - These were both a nice surprise. I’ve been switching back and forth between tubes since they arrived. Still haven’t figured out which one I like best !! lol That’s a problem I can live with ! lol Both have characteristically clear , sweet tone and good volume. They are responsive and well balanced between octaves. I’ve probably spent a bit more time with the D tube. Other than more volume and a rounder fuller tone , it’s a repeat of the Narrow Bore D. Has me wondering why folks prefer the NB ?? :confused:

Low G - Normally, I’d refer to an earlier post on the board , from Gary , regarding his Low G’s (older model ) Then , the head was changed , so , I’ll add my observations , since mine are the only new ones floating around. I’ll preface my comments by saying that the only Low G that I previously owned is an older Copeland , that I truly love. The 2 Humphrey whistles were practically identical. The only real difference that I noted was that one seemed slightly louder than the other. ( I gave the louder one to my pastor ) Both were fairly clear , sweet , well balanced , responsive , and had good volume all the way down to the bell note.

Seems like the first question regarding low whistles is : " What’s the sound like ? " Honestly , the Humphrey Low G does not have the Overton’s “cosmic drainpipe” or the Copeland’s “haunting” quality. I can tell you that when we were preparing for church services the other night , the pastor was playing his back in the office. Not only did the sound carry well , but it had an “other worldly” quality that made everyone stop and listen. Might have just been that we were all in a nearly empty church ( lol ) , but my point is that it has a lovely rich sound . Different … but still good !! IMO , if I were going to record a slow air or was looking for mood and atmosphere , grab the Copeland. If I were going to rip off something fast or wanted the richness and depth of a low whistle in preformance , grab the Humphrey. I don’t always want/need " haunting " !! lol

The thing that has impressed me the most with Gary’s whistles is their balance and overall forgiveness/playability. Most of the whistles that I own , even the high-enders , have their own little idiosyncracies. There can be a bit of a “learning curve” with each different model. Maybe it’s just me , but I could pick up any one of these new whistles , warm it in my hands , and just rip !! No quirks ! No surprises ! I love that !! (-: And , although clogging has never been much of a problem for me , I’ve spent hours playing each of them with no real problems.

Will having one of the new Humphrey “Stealth” whistles turn me into the next whistling superstar ? Nope ! That’s going to be dictated by my own lack of musical talent and coordination. The important thing is that they won’t do anything to hinder me !! Will you be able to sneak in under the radar of reverse snobbery at a “low end is the only traditional whistle” session ? Probably , until you start to play and they ask about your whistle!! Moral judgment: to fib or not to fib … I’ll leave that up to your own conscience ! :devil: Do I think that these are good whistles ? I’m back on Gary’s waiting list !! Enough said ???

That just about does it. Sorry to be so long winded !! Any more technical questions … get in touch with Gary ! He’s a great guy to work with !!

Have a Great Day and Fun Whistling !!

One great reason to get the narrow bore D is so you can get an Eb tube to go with it. The Eb is also great in fact I play it as much as the D.

Ron

Great testimony.

Timely too because the Humphrey D/Eb set I ordered should be arriving any time now. :smiley:

Your absolutely right , Ron ! Why do you think I’m back on his list ? :laughing:

Have a great day !!

Man I wish I had a good excuse to get one of the new stealth whistles.

Vomitbunny said

Man I wish I had a good excuse to get one of the new stealth whistles.

So you can sneak up on the music :laughing: :smiley:

Jim

Well, er, ah, no…I thought I might try to work up
The Three Jolly Sneaksmen.

Other than more volume and a rounder fuller tone , it’s a repeat of the Narrow Bore D. Has me wondering why folks prefer the NB ?? confused

The narrow bore is a very fine whistle with all the volume I want (it carries quite well and any more volume would make me feel out of balance playing with others). Generally I am not too fond of wide bore whistles, and I have heard one comment from someone who owns a NB and loves it who tried a wider bore Humphrey and didn’t like that one bit for it’s loss of sweetness.

I do find the price prohibitive. I bought the one narrow D, and I like very well, but by the time I had it in my hands it had cost me over $100, which is really way beyond what I find acceptable paying for a tinwhistle. So I never did get the C and B I wanted. Gary has priced it in line with the Sindt and Burkes and fair play to him but it’s really beyond my range.

Hi Peter !! Thanks for the post. Your opinion is always one that I respect !

I really am in no position to defend or explain the pricing structure of the various whistle makers. I simply know that I couldn’t make one , so I’ll defer to the skill and integrity of those who can. If you want to play , you have to pay the piper , so to speak !!

It seems that you and I share a commom viewpoint , but it isn’t about prices. I was always used to having each whistle as a separate identity. I never was much for switching heads , tweaking , and tinkering. That’s just the way I thought. With Gary’s whistles , one head is used to cover 3 different keys. Using the price sheet from his website that would make an E/Eb/D set sell for $115.00. If we add about $20.00 for shipping ( just a generality-I didnt check shipping costs to Ireland) that puts each key of whistle in the $40-$50 range. That’s really not bad at all , for whistles of this quality ! IMO

Have a Great Day and Fun Whistling !!

It’s a great whistle no doubt and I would recommend it anyone. And I don’t really blame Gary pricing his whistles similar to other ones. I don’t begrudge him getting paid well for his work. I never went for the set idea though. Maybe I should.

It’s not a pronblem specific t othis whistle but this may be the only one i would have liked to have one or two other keys of.

In my mind I inevitably make the steps from a five euro standard whistle to a 10 euro Oak to a 25 euro O Briain to a 40 euro(?) Freeman to a 100 euro Sindt, Burke or whatever and wonder how much the price increase goes in step with the gain in quality and somewhere along the line things go lopsided.
The one sitting on the computer in front of me for daily use is the 5 euro one and I am quite happy with that. I love the Humphrey but for me it’s really a one off buy (that aside I have one Sindt and that’s really it outside the low range) .

The Humphrey is my favourite whistle. I have a wide bore, but never tried a narrow bore, so i can’t comment on the differences. This was the highest i’ve ever paid for a whistle: about $100. I didn’t complain because it was a custom job, with a special scale, and it really is a great whistle.

All I can say is, just be glad you’re not a violinist.

Luthiers charge a lot more than $100 for a hand-crafted instrument..

http://www.violinviolacello.com/instrumentsforsaleindex.htm - $12,500-26,000
http://www.harrisonviolins.com/violins.htm $12,000 range

Of course some makers are a little less
http://www.bradivarius.com/ $3000-5000

And just the bow can cost hundreds..
http://www.jcmusic.com/vihamavibow4.html
or thousands :boggle:
http://www.menzelviolins.com/menzel_bows.html
of dollars..

I’m just glad that even the most expensive handmade whistle can be a work of art that doesn’t cost an arm and a leg :slight_smile:

There’s a bit more work going into making a violin and as I explained there’s the comparison with the cheaper whistles, most of the time, to me anyway, not matching a twenty fold or more price increase with a comparable improvement in look and performance. I just don’t get enough extra mileage out of a 100 euro whistle. I love the Humphrey whistle and I am glad I have it but the threshold for buying another one is just to high for me. I have never even contemplated buying a Burke or something like that, to each their own I suppose.

Oh, agreed..more work for a violin than a $100 whistle.

But is it 200 times more work?

:wink:

Does a four-million-dollar Stradivarius violin sound twenty-thousand-times better than a $200 whistle? Or even twenty-thousand-times better than a $200 student violin?

Obviously, not everyone is going to think so. Equally obviously, some will. Matter of opinion, I imagine.

I personally don’t tend to think in terms of linear progressions in the prices of handcrafted goods or art of any kind. A linear progression is where a 5 fold increase in price gives you 5 times the quality. (You know, you buy one banana at twenty cents, and 5 for a dollar). Art and handcrafts are more like an exponential progression. The more percieved quality you eke out of an instrument (or work of art), the rarer the talent that goes into creating it. So the price jumps in an exponential way. $5.00, $20.00, $100.00, $300.00, …as you mentioned in your previous post.

This seems more sensical to me anyway. I imagine lots of people could make whistles that I’d consider worth $5.00. I imagive very few people could make whistles I’d pay $700.00 for. That’s what makes them worth $700.00 to those people willing to pay the price.

I’m switching to flute. All they are is a hollow stick with holes in them. Bound to be cheaper than whistle. I may break a limb off and whittle me one this afternoon. I’ll find a hollow stick. Seven holes. Couldn’t be much to it. Paper towel tube will probably be fine.

Let me count the ways…

Besides, the price of a violin has no importance whatsoever for this discussion. I’m glad there are whistles out there that cost a lot of money, and i’m glad that there are excellent players to play them. Right now, i have all the whistles i need, but still have to learn a lot about playing them.

No, but you can get one made of PVC pipe that costs about $50 and sounds better than some flutes that cost ten times more. Of course it doesn’t count as a “work of art”, just a good instrument to make music.

I personally don’t mind a factory made whistle for a fiver that does the job. I don’t feel ripped off by either Gary or John Sindt, the whistles I got from them I am very happy with but overall, as I said I don’t get enough extra mileage out of a twentyfold price increase. So I won’t get me whistles like that any time soon. Most whislteplayers I know feel about the same way. $700 for any whistle is just plain madnesss but you’re welcome to them if they turn you on.

I have one of those, and I’m very happy with it. But it’s not like I can live with just having one. I’m guessing I’ll have to aquire at least three if I expect to be able to look at myself in the morning without downing a pint of rotgut.
But I’m quite sure three will be enough. Yep.

I have the narrow bore Humphrey Hi D and I love it, love it, love it. Very sweet (I don’t mean pure in tone) and sensitive and versatile. I still reach for my Generations and Feadogs, though I’ll play the Humphrey’s in sessions.

Peter was refering to me I think, when he mention someone who owned the narrow bore and tried the wide bore. The wide bore has a sound that is more open and a bit harder to control. The sound tends to fray a bit, if that makes sense and it has a litte too much volume for my taste. Still a good whistle but has nothing over the Sindt. The narrow-bore imho is better than the Sindt.