Terry McGee's Rudall Perfected

Hello all, I’m writing partly to alleve the impatience of waiting for my new Rudall Perfected, and partly to find out some facts concerning my newest flute. So, what I’m interested in is:

  1. How close is this flute to the Pratten flute? I ask this because Terry calls it a Rudall style, but the holes are the same size as on the Pratten–is this flute easier to fill than a full blown Pratten flute (like my Olwell)?
  2. How is the sound different from a Pratten? Will it be reedier? As loud? Any comments here would be great.
  3. How is the overall workmanship on the flute? I have read some great things and just want some substantiation.
  4. Will this make me flutemaster of the universe? --just kidding.

If you could respond to that, or if you have any thoughts about the Rudall Perfected, Terry’s flutes, or the Rudall model in general (as opposed to the Pratten) please feel free.
Thanks,
Matt (sorry for the double barrelled posting)
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I’ve not played this particular model, but I have played his pratten model. I just wanted to drop in here and say based upon the flute I saw, Terry is a phenomally good craftsman! I didn’t find his pratten hard to fill or play, but I’ve been playing a Seery for over a year now so I’m used to prattens.

Eric

I love, love, love my McGee Pratten (affectionately named “Hoss”). Easy to fill, easy to play, super-solid keywork, a terrific range and really, really fun to dig into and push – I’ve been playing it about four months now, and the more I play it the more I’m totally sold on it.

A fabulous monster truck of a flute. :party:

In fact, it was a McGee Rudall Perfected that sent me on my own McGee quest. It too was a super flute, and although I can’t remember the fine details, the Perfected was no slouch in the big and boomy department, either.

And finally, EILAM RULES.

So Matt when’s it coming?

Doc

I’m late to come into this thread.
if you are looking for a big tone, very clear, bright, and fast response, Terry Pratten is the best I’ve come across (considering that when choosing a Pratten, you are looking for a monster truck), and I think every McGee Pratten owner will tell you the same.
I’ve had the RI model as well, and it’s a great flute, but I personally like the long foot, and the one body mid section. I think that his Pratten model is the one that stands out the most.

his key work is the best I had as well, as far as function goes, in fact, Terry work is all about function, and he puts a lot of thought into that.

catski, thanks, your checks in the mail :party: :party:

The flute is coming in about a 6 weeks. I went with the Rudall Perfected because I already have an Olwell Pratten, and was wondering if I would like a Rudall style flute, and since Terry’s site says that this is as close as one can get to a Pratten style on a Rudall flute I thought I’d try it. I suppose if I don’t like it, I could send it back and get the Mopane Pratten I was originally thinking about. From my limited experience with Terry thus far, he seems EXTREMELY compromising and generous about that sort of thing.
It’s good to hear that feedback about his flute, and now I’m kicking myself for not asking him to add blocks to the flute incase I want to add keys later–does he do post mounted work?

Eliam, what’s a “RI” model?

Wow how did you manage a six-week wait? I thought Teryy was out six months or more.



I’ve wondered about Terry and post mounted keys as well.

Hey Terry do you do post-mounted keys?


Doc

Nope, the waitlist for unkeyed is down to two months now.
M

I asked Terry about retrofitting post-mounted keys on a flute and he said he doesn’t do that. Too bad – I like the post-mounted keys on my LeHart, especially since I use piper fingering with my right hand.

TerryB

“Eliam, what’s a “RI” model?”





its Terry’s Rudall Improved modal, it has the same head and embouchure as the Pratten model, and fairly big tone holes.

So, is that different than the Rudall Perfected? How did it play Eliam? Were the air requirements different? How about the tone?
Matt

terry, why you dont want to send your flute directly to lehart in france?
he will be able to put keys very quickly and with great price ( his last price was 75 euros per one key)
his keywork aybe isn’t top class(mho) but very functional. i posses his 5 keyed flute (missing c key) but i use only 4 of them because i change my grip to piper grip ,and now i am not able to operating bflat key.

are you like your lehart?i like mine a lot, but only i wish to be louder. if you compare with my delrin seery ( real pratten design) seery is quite louder. marin

Oh-Mi-God, a feller dares to take a few hours sleep and spend the day fixing the local carillon and comes home to find everyone talking about him! Still, as Mr Wilde pointed out, “There is only one thing worse than being talked about, and that is not being talked about”.

So, let’s see. Hmmm, this could take a little while, so you might want to go off and pour yourself a Jamo’s, in honour of the Saint, whose birthday is tomorrow. I’m going to. Now, where were we …

Eilam mentioned the Rudall Improved. There’s a story here. I wanted to make a sort of “ultimate Rudall”, so I picked the largest bore, largest hole Rudall I could find anywhere. Because the original was a fairly early one, it had the typical rather ghastly flat foot, and also a scale that worked best at pitches around 430 (domestic pitch at the time). So I had to bring the pitch of the foot notes up very considerably, and rescale the flute to modern pitch in general. Obviously one can hardly call it a Rudall copy after all that, but neither can one honestly claim it as your own work. So “Rudall Improved” seemed a good tag.

About the same time, I was doing a lot of research into Nicholson, his Improved flute and the makers (including Rudall & Rose) that immediately succeeded him. I soon realised my folly - Nicholson had ushered in the Improved period - lots of makers at the time were styling their flutes Improved - so the flute I had based my work on was Improved before I’d even got to it. What I had done was to bump this Rudall into the next period - the Perfected period ushered in by Pratten. In this period, flat foot was eliminated, and the flute was rescaled for higher pitches. Hey, that sounds like me! So, at the risk of confusing the flute-buying public (and future historians) totally, I renamed the RI the RP.

And to set all that in context, I offer three Rudall based flutes:

  • the Rudall Perfected - the kind of flute Rudalls might have offered post Pratten if they didn’t have their mind on Boehm flutes; a really big Rudall,

  • the Rudall 5088 - a more typical Rudall flute from the Improved era, and

  • my Rudall Refined, based on the small hole Rudall which seemed so popular.

Now, who’s next …

Doc asks about my waiting list. It had got very bad - well over two years for keyed flutes, and I found I really wasn’t enjoying it. I tend to spend a lot of time with the player trying to determine what is going to suit them best. After all that, I have a strong impulse to get on and build the flute. It’s no fun putting it on the backburner for two years, then wondering how on earth we came to this set of conclusions. So, I’ve put a lot of effort over the last two years into improving my facilities, refining my processes, etc etc with an aim to reducing the waiting list to manageable proportions. Paradoxically, my new process actually takes a bit longer to make a flute (in overall weeks), but the improved tooling means I spend less time on it, so it’s an overall gain. Improved tooling is good for quality too. And I’ve documented it all better too, so there’s less time spent scratching the head about what comes next!

So the status quo is that I can actually make a keyless in about 2 months from the order (the actual time my process takes to run). I’m still 6 months or so on keyed flutes, but aiming to get it down too. I’ve actually got a small stock of some keyless flutes, and I’d like to be back in the position (pre-Internet) of having stocks of all my popular models. We’ll see …

Doc also asks if I do post-mounted keys. I have done them, but I don’t enjoy it, and so I’ve vowed not to do them any more. It’s not that I see them as unsatisfactory, I just prefer the flute to be more of an entiity than a collection of parts. It’s all in the mind, you know …

Which is not to say I can’t retrofit keys. I have done a few where I’ve grafted blocks on (usually on other maker’s keyless flutes). I doubt if most people could spot where! But for my own flutes, I’d prefer to make a replacement body with the blocks integral.

TerryB comments on pipers fingering. There’s no problem (that I’m aware of - Terry might correct me) with block mounted keys and piper’s fingering - you just mount the blocks further around so they don’t get in the way of the outstretched fingers. That puts the Long F key touch too low for L4, so you do what Nicholson did - bend the keytouch up instead of down.

Maricarac wonders about sending my flutes to Giles Lehart for keying. From memory, Giles does French-style keywork (hardly surprising!) which may not suit everybody. But there’s certainly no reason not to send my or other maker’s keyless flute to Giles or anyone else who will do the kind of keys you want. The important thing is that the player get’s what they need.

Whew, I hope I’m now up to date! Takes sip of Jamo’s, screws up eyes and gingerly presses “Submit”…

Terry

Very good and informative post, Terry! I enjoyed reading it with my morning cup of Joe.

I have had the pleasure of playing (briefly) another lister’s McGee flute, and I have to say, it’s loud and it rocks! Quite impressed with the beautiful wood, too, Cooktown Ironwood.

Mary

sorry terry mc gee, my mistake!
i didn’t read carefully, so i tought that terry (another one!) want to put keys on his lehart.now i see that he want keys on your keyless flute.
marin

Just curious, anyone else out there want to chime in on their T. McGee flute?
Currently in Beijing Teaching.
M

Well, Peggy just got a “new” one…:party:


Mary