Hey kids,
Seeing as how we’ve been on this funny little uilleann pipe IUD kick,
Whaddaya use for rushes?
co-cane 
Wire with cane strips tied on with string.
Don’t take this the wrong way but don’t you americans have any soft rush?
I have never had to resort to artificial rush and can’t see why you would. Okay I have to change the rush every now and again as the old piece dries out and shrinks but fitting a fresh rush is no big deal. As far as possible I try to avoid having to resort to rushing a chanter so I’m talking regulators only here.
Ken
You shouldn’t have to rush a good chanter.
You shouldn’t have to rush a good chanter.
Steampacket, I’m suprised to hear you say that. Aren’t Dave Williams chanters in the Rowesome style designed with a rush?
I agree with Steampacket
Agree. A good chanter should not need to be rushed. I have talked to people who said their chanters didn’t need to be rushed at first, but after a few months it did. This suggests to me the wood had not been fully cured before final turning.
Then again, there may be people out there who have an overwhelming compulsion to stick foreign objects up their chanter. What a rush!
djm
hit a button twice there :roll:
I love new chanters with a guitar string supa glued in the bore.
My own chanter never has a rush, I have set up the regs with a permanent thin wire attached to the tuning pin with blobs of bluetack in the appropriate places. The advantage of the bluetack is that you can easily add or take away bits or change the shape of it when necessary.
I didn’t get my answer. Aren’t Dave Williams chanters designed with a rush?
When I got my Williams there was no rush in the chanter and it was in perfect tune. After a few month the tuning changed for the worse and I did sent the chanter back to Dave so he could check if the bore had shrunk.
To his surprise it did and needed a bit of reaming, Anyway he sent it back in tune but this time with a short rush to fix the E’s. So I can’t tell for sure if his chanters are designed with or without a rush, I don’t think so.
I really don’t care however. Williams chanters are the best sounding D’s around. They have a nice extra dimension in the lower harmonics that most other chanters lack.
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I don’t think you can automatically fault the maker just because some pipers use a rush to get the sound they want with all the variables, like reed design. But, I agree with those above that have said a well made chanter does not need rushing.
It depends on what you mean by “Aren’t Dave Williams chanters designed with a rush?” Tony. Like Kevin P. said, the wire can be used to bring a high pitch chanter down to standard. I doubt if DW does that. Or, some pipers make high pitched reeds then rush the bore to bring it in tune. And, there are those who rush them anyway to compensate for something else that they, individually, are looking for. It’s not a “need” though unless the chanter is made wrong (or unless your needs are unusual), or like someone said, the wood was not cured right.
Is it possible there is something about a wire up the bore that produces a tonic effect on the wave length in the chanter, that we don’t necessarily all understand? Is it possible some players/makers have discoverd something here?
Not long ago we talked about chanters that were designed with a metal rush inside.
I think it came about from the pictures of some old chanters that sold on eBay and it was revealed some well respected pipemakers do this as standard practice. I asked the question if it was Williams. Actually it sounded more like a statement rather than a question. Oops. No harm meant, just a point of reference. However the IUD tuner seems to have lots of merit!
“Is it possible there is something about a wire up the bore that produces a tonic effect on the wave length in the chanter, that we don’t necessarily all understand?”
After reading the thread that was my question too. The Lynch stick I have is rushed and well in tune, but the main thing I notice when I remove the rush isn’t really that the tuning goes out, its that the tone is far brighter and more crisp/edgey. Dunno why this is, but it makes for a nice contrast…
Rob
Yes, we have rush in America. It’s every bit the weed it is in Europe. I prefer wire and cane strips for the ease of adjustment, important when the G note on the small reg is flat but everything else is in tune for some damn reason. I figure the cane being kind of blocky shape will further discourage the reg from even thinking about jumping the octave, too.
Now. Do you Europeans have something called “Supa Glue”? I’ve seen this spelling in a couple of places. In America it’s called “Super Glue,” sounds like someone had a trademark obstacle to overcome!
A rush in the chanter “Will bring down the tone,” as Johnny Doran said. It can sound nice in its own way, though. Flutey they always seem to say. And I have heard some talking about it making certain chanters work better, somehow.
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Super Glue
Supa Glue
Crasy Glue
Krazy Glue
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Zap Glue
Zip Adhesive
SUR-LOK Adhesive
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Tony,
I can’t say categorically whether Dave Williams ever delivers new chanters with a rush fitted but his normal practice is to fit a reed that plays without. If somebody wanted that “muted” sound he probably would oblige.
I recently showed Dave a chanter he’d made in C that I’d bought from another piper which another reed maker had fitted with a reed and rush. Dave took it off me and said he’d put a new reed in it because the chanter was not playing well with the reed - he said it affected the ease of playing in the second octave and when he made the chanter it was not meant to have anything in the bore. My Williams B has never had anything in the bore and it plays to my satisfaction every time.
And yes, Dave’s concert pitch chanters are the best that money can buy.
Ken