Request for Public Apology

Uilleann Pipes
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With reference to a recent post whereby it was deliberately insinuated by ‘STEW’ that I dishonestly posted pictures of Peter Hunter Chanters and dishonestly announced them as having been made by Pipemaker Davy Stephenson of Richmond Yorkshire.

I feel that STEW may have mistaken me for another user of this forum, as I for one have never been able to successfully post any JPEG or GIF’s on this forum. I do recall another member posting chanter pictures in the past which may or may not have been made by Peter Hunter or Davy Stephenson. However it certainly was not myself!!

I have communicated again with Dale Wisely regarding our new members attempts to start a flame war on our forum (this person and his whereabouts are known to me and his motives for making this post also known to me and Mr Stephenson)

I should now like to publicly declare that should STEW not withdraw his known mallicious statements regarding my suposedly dishonest acts and also publish a public apology, I have already taken steps to have the matter legally addressed through the courts with the help of Eversheds Manchester Media Solicitor.

I will reluctantly have no other option than to take this action and it’s possible negative consequences to C&F Forum should C&F Forum not take steps to address the actions of STEW.

I joined this Forum to learn about Uilleann Pipes quite unlike the apparently dishonourable reasons as to why STEW has joined our forum which are inevitably to stir up trouble between members. I in addition am certainly not going to standby and watch STEW or anyone else drag my name through the mud publicly for a twisted motive and cheap laughs.

To date all STEW has been able to contribute are obviously derogatory posts aimed at both myself and Davy Stephenson…pointing out that Davy has in some way copied the Peter Hunter Chanter design.

I know that in the past Mr Watson ‘STEW’ has had some sort of grudge against Pipemaker Davy Stephenson of whom I also am a customer, however what his motives are for trying to embroil me in his twisted intentions is beyond my comprehension.

However I would warn STEW that should he wish to involve my self in his grudge war he has made a gross error and misjudgement.

Many thanks, my apologies for having to contact Dale again regarding what can only be considered to be a mallicious and dishonourable use of the forum.

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On 2003-02-26 08:10, LarryM wrote:
With reference to a recent post whereby it was deliberately insinuated by ‘STEW’ that I dishonestly posted pictures of Peter Hunter Chanters and dishonestly announced them as having been made by Pipemaker Davy Stephenson of Richmond Yorkshire.

I feel that STEW may have mistaken me for another user of this forum, as I for one have never been able to successfully post any JPEG or GIF’s on this forum. I do recall another member posting chanter pictures in the past which may or may not have been made by Peter Hunter or Davy Stephenson. However it certainly was not myself!!

I have communicated again with Dale Wisely regarding our new members attempts to start a flame war on our forum (this person and his whereabouts are known to me and his motives for making this post also known to me and Mr Stephenson)

I should now like to publicly declare that should STEW not withdraw his known mallicious statements regarding my suposedly dishonest acts and also publish a public apology, I have already taken steps to have the matter legally addressed through the courts with the help of Eversheds Manchester Media Solicitor.

I will reluctantly have no other option than to take this action and it’s possible negative consequences to C&F Forum should C&F Forum not take steps to address the actions of STEW.

I joined this Forum to learn about Uilleann Pipes quite unlike the apparently dishonourable reasons as to why STEW has joined our forum which are inevitably to stir up trouble between members. I in addition am certainly not going to standby and watch STEW or anyone else drag my name through the mud publicly for a twisted motive and cheap laughs.

To date all STEW has been able to contribute are obviously derogatory posts aimed at both myself and Davy Stephenson…pointing out that Davy has in some way copied the Peter Hunter Chanter design.

I know that in the past Mr Watson ‘STEW’ has had some sort of grudge against Pipemaker Davy Stephenson of whom I also am a customer, however what his motives are for trying to embroil me in his twisted intentions is beyond my comprehension.

However I would warn STEW that should he wish to involve my self in his grudge war he has made a gross error and misjudgement.

Many thanks, my apologies for having to contact Dale again regarding what can only be considered to be a mallicious and dishonourable use of the forum.

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On 2003-02-23 14:15, stew wrote:
Hello There, May I note members of this forum “pictures of my pipes” page two,that the picture sent in by Larry M of heres Davy’s chanters, That the Narrow bore D & ConcertD were made by no other than Peter Hunter there are certainly two beautifully crafted chanters,in ebony & blackwood with ivory fittings to which I am certainly a gainst pipe makers who use it,but thats me, I know I’ve played these chanters, I’ve also heard from a little birdie that Peter Hunter may start making pipes again. A few weeks ago I heard a piper playing "Jenny picking cockles"on a set of Alan Froment’s pipes in D I think? I thought he played it lovely,I’ve heard and played a Alan Froment set in Concert D,Micheal O Briain plays a Narrow bore B set,Alan certainly makes beautifully sounding pipes,I hope the piper might put his sample back on this forum so we can here him play again.

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On 2003-02-23 15:39, joey_schu wrote:
Hey everyone,

Stew, welcome to the board. Question though. “Are you SURE?” I’m no expert on anyone else’s pipes, but I do know that Davy’s chanters are based on Hunter’s specs. Davy made a cocobolo/boxwood/silver chanter for me awhile back which had those same Hunter characteristics…the wide bosses and such.

A picture of it is here:
http://www.bagpipeworks.com/chanters_2.htm

So, I don’t know, I guess I’m just saying that appearances could be deceiving since Davy’s natural style is really influenced by Hunter’s. (Is this common knowledge? Zzzz Zzzzzz) I also know that Larry is a good friend of Davy’s and he told me he’s bought “quite alot of stuff” from him (Davy). I don’t know if you’ve played the two particular chanters in the picture and know more about them than I do, but it’s just my two cents.

-Joey

Thanks Joey for making this post. Basically I am a customer of Mr Stephenson. STEW has a grievance with Mr Stephenson and STEW has taken upon himself to try and cause as much trouble for Davy by intimidating Davy’s customers including myself by means of telephone calls to my family home, in an attempt to damage this pipemakers business.

I have never owned a Stephenson or any other narrow bore D chanter in my life, and have certainly never owned pictures of a Peter Hunter Chanter let alone the real thing.

I would advise STEW to seriously reflect on retracting his accusation that I posted any pictures of Peter Hunter chanters and dishonestly entitled them ‘Heres Davy’s Chanters’

No doubt that in time Davy will be able to confirm that indeed Stew’s comments are fuelled by nothing than a twisted and deranged lust for as much damage to be caused to Davy Stephensons business as possible.

Do not be misled by STEW his intentions in joining this forum are pure and simple to alienate Davy Stephenson’s customers.

No doubt Davy will in time confirm my point of view, which reinforces why I no longer use this Forum.



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On 2003-02-26 09:25, LarryM wrote:

On 2003-02-23 15:39, joey_schu wrote:
Hey everyone,

Stew, welcome to the board. Question though. “Are you SURE?” I’m no expert on anyone else’s pipes, but I do know that Davy’s chanters are based on Hunter’s specs. Davy made a cocobolo/boxwood/silver chanter for me awhile back which had those same Hunter characteristics…the wide bosses and such.

A picture of it is here:
http://www.bagpipeworks.com/chanters_2.htm

So, I don’t know, I guess I’m just saying that appearances could be deceiving since Davy’s natural style is really influenced by Hunter’s. (Is this common knowledge? Zzzz Zzzzzz) I also know that Larry is a good friend of Davy’s and he told me he’s bought “quite alot of stuff” from him (Davy). I don’t know if you’ve played the two particular chanters in the picture and know more about them than I do, but it’s just my two cents.

-Joey

Thanks Joey for making this post. Basically I am a customer of Mr Stephenson. STEW has a grievance with Mr Stephenson and STEW has taken upon himself to try and cause as much trouble for Davy by intimidating Davy’s customers including myself in an attempt to damage this pipemakers business.

I have never owned a Stephenson or any other narrow bore D chanter in my life, and have certainly never owned pictures of a Peter Hunter Chanter let alone the real thing.

I would advise STEW to seriously reflect on retracting his accusation that I posted any pictures of Peter Hunter chanters and dishonestly entitled them ‘Heres Davy’s Chanters’

No doubt that in time Davy will be able to confirm that indeed Stew’s comments are fuelled by nothing than a twisted and deranged lust for as much damage to be caused to Davy Stephensons business as possible.

Do not be misled by STEW his intentions in joining this forum are pure and simple to alienate Davy Stephenson’s customers.

No doubt Davy will in time confirm my point of view, which reinforces why I no longer use this Forum.



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I understand that perhaps it was Lorenzo who posted the pictures which STEW refers to. (My sincerest apology to Larry in advance if this is not the case)I have ascertained this from a recent email from Mr Stephenson where he states.

“I have already told stew that he has made a mistake about the posting
of the pictures to the C & F forum, it was Lorenzo who posted them
not you.
I have written to Lorenzo asking him to remove the pictures and
that I had amended my web-site saying that this has been done, but
stew still leaves his garbage there for all to see.”


MR Watson I await your apology!! Although knowing you are not a person of any trustworthiness or integrity I do not expect to receive it!!


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On 2003-02-26 10:50, LarryM wrote:
I understand that perhaps it was Lorenzo who posted the pictures which STEW refers to. I have ascertained this from a recent email from Mr Stephenson where he states.

“I have already told stew that he has made a mistake about the posting
of the pictures to the C & F forum, it was Lorenzo who posted them
not you.
I have written to Lorenzo asking him to remove the pictures and
that I had amended my web-site saying that this has been done, but
stew still leaves his garbage there for all to see.”


MR Watson I await your apology!! Although knowing you are not a person of any trustworthiness or integrity I do not expect to receive it!!


[ This Message was edited by: LarryM on 2003-02-26 10:53 ]

Larry,
relax… people don’t sit by the computer waiting to read C&F messages, well most people don’t :wink:

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Sorry Tony I know this guy personally, I know what his intentions are and I have absolutely no intentions of being publicly humiliated for cheap laughs by people like Mr Watson.

Like Davy says Mr Watson knows he is in the wrong but just keeps his accusations in full public view .

I call this libel as so does my lawyer with whom I have discussed the matter today.It is in my belief purely mallicious, and I fully intend getting something done in order to demonstrate that people on this board are human and have feeling which can be hurt.

Also to demonstrate that purpetrators can indeed be brough to account.

It seems that Dale and others are completely powerless to police the contents of this board and hence is used by those with little scruples to propogate libellous remarks.

Well maybe this is where things change once and for all.

Perhaps Larry (Lorenzo) and Davy Stephenson would like to explain the position to us so we can get an apology from Stew and let the subject drop!!

I,m sorry I have been acused of gross dishonesty…I am sure you would not like it if you were the target!!

[Someone’s home address, deleted. Posting other people’s personal information is a really good way to lose your account, folks. Of course, if you posted his address because he posted yours somewhere here, I’d be happy to delete that one too once given a pointer to it --rich]

You can expect a letter from my lawyer some day soon my friend!! Should you ever telephone me at my family home again you will have the cops at your door in a flash.

My post has been edited for spelling and grammatical errors.


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I’m not powerless, I’m just not doing what you want me to do, even though you sent me mail yelling about lawyers.

As you can see, posting a big public apology rant in a separate thread instead of posting a friendly “hey, that’s not right” post in the thread where the error occurred has had a deleterious effect on your reputation.

But you wrote:

Sorry Tony I know this guy personally
from which I deduce that you have a personal problem with stew which extends beyond him confusing you with someone else. You are to keep your personal quarrels off of this forum from now on.
    -Rich
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Rich thanks for your reply.

I do respect your sentiments and I never use this forum now anyhow.I was simply defending myself when told by a number of friends that this person was using the board as a medium for shit stirring.

Thanks for the use of the board in the past.

I guess I’ll go and leave you guy’s in peace now.

Happy pipeing and best regards to my friends on C&F

Larry

[ This Message was edited by: LarryM on 2003-02-26 14:11 ]

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I can’t believe it. This is the second or third time I’ve read on the list about one party contemplating (read-- threatening) to sue over comments made in post. Just ignore the malicious people and they’ll take their ill will elsewhere. KEEP IT OFF THE C&F BOARD and in the offices of the attorneys if that is how you choose to handle the matter.

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Ditto, Glands. Very weird doings over here. Many sudden new monikers and heat. Did another UP Forum shut down somewhere recently? I have lurked here for a long time just to learn and its always been pretty dang civil here.

Back to Whistleland.

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I have to disagree with the ‘ignore it’ comment. No offense intended.

In our current subculture, a pipe-maker’s reputation depends heavily upon public comments. I would strongly suggest to anyone purchasing pipes that they play or listen to multiple examples of a maker’s pipes before deciding on who to purchase from.

The reality of the situation is, however, that a lot of people go simply by word-of-mouth reputation. When one person develops an unsubstantiated grudge against a pipe-maker and proceedes to attack said pipe-maker whenever the opportunity arises it is a problem that should be addressed and not simply ‘ignored.’

That said, I have a couple of quick points to make. I agree with Rich. There should not be this seperate thread (yes, I realize I’m contributing to the life of it). It should have been addressed in the original message thread.

In addition, however, I think that uninvited personal contact (i.e. this person contacting someone by phone to rant) is offensive and should be treated as harassment if that is indeed what it is.

I have to admit that I do not think this completely applies to pipe-makers. When I begin selling pipes, I will have a number where I can be contacted and I will not be surprised or offended by the occasional unwarranted rant.

People who perpetrate these kinds of situations exist everywhere in the world in every aspect of culture. As a business owner, you have to deal with complaints. The legitimate ones you take care of as best you can (and you do everything you can to make sure they never occur). The illegitimate ones you deal with by erasing the message, or asking the person to not call back.

Dionys

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On 2003-02-26 17:34, The Weekenders wrote:
Ditto, Glands. Very weird doings over here. Many sudden new monikers and heat.

Suffice to say that the sudden new monikers won’t be participating anymore.

    -Rich
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I was on the road all afternoon… and I missed all the fun. sometimes I just hate having to work!

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Sorry guys

I didn’t mean to cause any trouble or blacken anyone’s character.

Let’s get back to piping.

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On 2003-02-28 18:28, stew wrote:
Sorry guys

I didn’t mean to cause any trouble or blacken anyone’s character.

Let’s get back to piping.

Well put stew.

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The other day, I made a total bollocks of a descending triplet in the second octave and accused myself of doing gross injustice to the tune in question (Down the back lane). I have advised my lawyer to contact me about this accusation immediately and, to be safe, have also handcuffed myself and am typing this with a plastic straw inserted in one nostril. I expect to hear from my laywer soon and a warrant will most likely be issued for my arrest. I didn’t realize that the uilleann pipes could be so dangerous. Write me in gaol…

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Mr Lemonsquash,

Gaol may be too good for you. True, “bollocksing” hints at an accidental crime against a tune, and a resultant charge of tune-slaughter. However, the voluntary confession, self-bondage and autonasal mutilation indicate a deeper sense of guilt. The sitting DA, eager to disprove recent accusations of laxity, will likely move to establish premeditated bollocksing. God save you, lad, if you’re found guilty of Tune-Murder 1 on this board.

BC
Barrister-at-Law
Chiff, Fipple & Co.
PO Box 000
The Hague
Netherlands

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