Playing with an orchestra again...

So, it seems a small (incredibly small) whistle part has worked its way into another concert I’m playing in. This time around it seems I can’t rely on a single whistle to cover the piece, either… Last time the whistle parts were exclusively in C major. This time they’re in D major, C major, and Db major… joy! I’ve got whistles to cover D and C, but I need to see about Db.

I’m open to suggestions. A preliminary look has yielded nothing but Susato for a Db whistle. Any other makers out there doing Db’s? I may end up getting a different D whistle, too. My preferred C is the Mellow Dog, which I also have a D body for, but I’d rather not be swapping heads around mid-song, especially due to tuning concerns. Alternatively, maybe I’ll pick up a new C and use the Mellow Dog D… or maybe I’ll just get another body for that one… I don’t know. Regardless, I have a great excuse to buy more whistles, and I plan to take every advantage I can. :slight_smile:

what song(s)?

It’s a song called “I’ll Give Him My Heart.” For an Easter pageant I’m playing in. It’s literally 5 measures scattered throughout the song, but it manages to find itself in these three different keys… And the measures are placed so strategically that I doubt I’ll get any violin playing in during the piece.

I don’t know any maker who makes a stock Db whistle; you might have to start with a whistle in C, push the head in by a semitone’s worth, and then tune each hole individually with tape.

Mike Burke makes a C# whistle. 'Tis an excellent instrument, but not inexpensive…
Best to you.
Bill

You can vary the pitch by passing by your listeners at a very high rate of speed.

If you have a Syn set, there is a Db body in it.

David

OK, let’s figure it out! The Doppler effect is:

f’ = (v / (v + v’)) * f

where
v = speed of sound in air (1130 feet/second @ 70F)
v’ = speed of moving whistler
f = actual note frequency (D5 = 1175 Hz)
f’ = perceived note frequency (Db5 = 1109 Hz)

Solving for v’ gives:

v’ = v * (f - f’) / f’

Let’s assume you’re playing a second octave D, and you want the listeners to hear a Db.

v’ = 1130 fps * (1175 Hz - 1109 Hz) / 1109 Hz
v’ = 67.24977457169 fps = 45.852119 mph = 73.7918326 kph

So a compact motor scooter should do the trick, as long as it has instant acceleration to 46 mph. Just set up a 135-foot ramp from the front of the stage to the back, and play your whistle while driving the scooter backwards away from the audience. 135 feet gives you 2 seconds of playing time, or about 2 measures at typical reel or jig tempo, before you have to stop and wheel the bike back to the front of the stage for the next 2 measures.

Of course, audience members not exactly at center stage will hear a slightly sharp Db, according to the sine of their angle to you. But after all that trouble, it would be rude of them to complain.

:laughing:

I’ll let the conductor know that I need a motorcycle on which to play all my parts… :stuck_out_tongue:

Edit: I’ve been looking for a Syn set and can’t find one anywhere… anyone have any leads on where I could pick one up? Also, the C#/Db Susato seems to be a special order. Anyone purchased one of these in the past and/or have any idea how long it would take to fill an order for one?

OK, seriously this time …

Especially if it’s just a short passage and for one-time use, you can try simply pulling out a Generation or Feadóg type D whistle down to Db. Use some teflon tape on the head end of the tube to keep the head tight, and insert a small ball of blue tack putty in the bell end to flatten the pitch. A bit of electrician’s tape on the tone holes as needed for intonation, and you might find you have a perfectly serviceable Db whistle. And if your whistle is miked, you’ll have some leeway in finessing the pitch without overblowing.

I keep converted Db Feadóg around to play along with the occasional Db/Gb recording, and it does fine. But I’ve never had to tune it to an orchestra …

As far as I know, the Susato Db is a standard offering, not a special order:
http://www.susato.com/konakart/SelectCat.do?catId=146

Shipping from Susato has been 3-5 days, quicker by priority or express.

The other musicians who spent thousands of dollars for their instruments will be green with envy. Maybe they’ll trade even-stevens.

The last time I bought a Generation C whistle, the head was positioned on the tube so that it was quite sharp, it sounded more like a D-flat whistle than a C anyway…because of the way a Gen is tuned, instead of taking a higher whistle and pulling it down to pitch, you might try using a Gen C and pushing it up to pitch. I think you might find the tuning would work pretty much ok.

Just a thought.

–James

I’ve thought of trying something like this… take one of my C whistles and see if I can tune it up to a C#. I just wonder if only the bell note would be in tune, then. I’ll have to just try it out and see how it sounds, I guess… Wouldn’t feed the WhOA quite as much, though… :wink:

Wouldn’t an A flat whistle be equally good for D flat (OK, they’re rare, but not as rare as D flat)?

And would it be possible to take an A tunable and modify it to A flat?

I have an A flat Himalayan bamboo whistle that I bought in Inverness…

Just to update everyone, I’ve purchased a full set of Syn whistles, so I’ve got the Db covered! Thanks for the tips!