Is this a Pratten of Rudall?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amyptG9THfk

Thanks for the help.

Sylvain has used a few different flutes I think, you might get the most accurate answer by attempting to ask him via Comas (either myspace or website)


Loren

The flute in the video is a Rudall design, but it looks like a modern copy, Olwell? It is a 4 piece flute, long foot, no C#/C keys… He is playing it like a Rudall, and it sounds great!

He is playing now Morvan flutes, a Rudall model first and then moved to a Pratten model. Previusly he was playing a Rudall Aebi flute.
Regads,
S.

Clare’s Reel, The Silver Reel, Brendan’s Reel

Damn, I really enjoy his playing.

yeah…me too!

Hello, it’s a flute made by Stéphane Morvan. This one is his Pratten model (“boozey”).

well, whatever it is, it sounds fantastic! how come i’ve never heard of a morvan.

he is fairly recent in making flutes. I have heard nothing from good from him. I am definitely going to buy one of his models as soon as I can get some money saved up. His site is under construction now, so you cant really get a look at it.

I sit corrected… :smiley:

Sorry, I made a mistake: in this video, Sylvain Barou is playing on a Rudall model ( also made by Steph. Morvan ). But he has changed since this video and now he plays on a Pratten model (made by Stheph Morvan).

I still don’t know what a pratten sounds like. Could anybody send me a video on youtube or something? Thanks.

Short Samples from WFO:

SEERY
http://worldtrad.org/MP3/WFO1/TOM%20DOORLEY.mp3

HAMMY HAMILTON
http://worldtrad.org/MP3/WFO1/HAMMY%20HAMILTON.mp3
http://worldtrad.org/MP3/WFO1/DEIRDRE%20HAVLIN.mp3
http://worldtrad.org/MP3/WFO1/PAUL%20McGRATTAN.mp3
http://worldtrad.org/MP3/WFO2/Duncan_Davidson.mp3

OLWELL PRATTEN
http://worldtrad.org/MP3/WFO1/JOHN%20SKELTON.mp3
http://worldtrad.org/MP3/WFO2/Tara_Diamond.mp3
http://worldtrad.org/MP3/WFO3/Nicolas_Buckmelter.mp3
http://worldtrad.org/MP3/WFO3/Kieran_O’Hare.mp3


Probably most of the other Olwells on these CDs are also Pratten models, but I’m just not sure.

Maybe this can count as one of my commercial posts.

Kevin Krell

Thanks you Kevin and Sponge for helping me with pratten sound versus rudall. Finally I have chosen that I am going to get Rudall. Thanks for everyone’s help.

Another question. I have seen on many websites and info pages about the two different, and some say that Rudall is the one with the two big holes are and the end and cylindrical, while others say the one with the two big holes and cylindrical is Pratten. And vice versa with the conical one. Which one is which? Is Pratten the loud one and better for sessions, and Rudall the more solo one?

Not sure of your English usage there. Both types of flute have cylindrical heads, and conical, tapering bodies. Finger hole sizes on Prattens are usually large, and usually a large bore. Rudall finger holes may be small, medium or large, and the bore is perhaps smaller, and thus the outside profile might be a bit more slender. Both styles of flute may be loud enough for sessions, depending on the player.

Kevin Krell

Thanks, which one it the type with the two large holes at the end of the flute or at the foot of it?

Neither. Or both. No original R&R or Pratten ever had a “dummy” footjoint with two vent holes in it, They almost all had a fully keyed C foot, though there are some Rudalls with only short D footjoints. I suggest you search the forum for debates on having long or short feet on modern ITM flutes. You can get modern keyless or partially keyed flutes after the general style of R&R or of Pratten with or without the extended foot. Such feet are in no way a diagnostic feature regarding the design model of the flute they belong to.

I strongly suggest you go and have a good read of Terry McGee’s and Rick Wilson’s (Oldflutes) websites if you really want to understand more about flute design and flute history. There is plenty of information readily available on the Web.

Thanks Jem, I have done a little research on his site, but I will be doing more. He has an awesome informative site.

Vindicated, at last! :swear: