Very insteresting to see the variation on the second step (E) between Werkmeister and Just. Can you record a clip of a scale and post it? How does it feel playing in G?
G sounds good. I just bought a fancy schmancy MP3 recorder from Eskin, and i’ll record some scales when i get it (in a few days). I could also record a few tunes that would be useful for people to learn how to play Irish music from.
Another piece of data that would be interesting to have would be to measure the deviations in the scale in the Generations whistles to see how they fit in this picture.
You can always join the Just Intonation Network!
Sounds exciting. You start to have very nice determination,Glauber!!
From what I know and what I experienced,with different intonation,the articulation to make the whistle sound the best is also different. I remember a pianist who loves her piano tuned to Werkmeister critisized someone like “he doesnt deserve Werkmeister,Equal Temperament is enough for him,he will never know how to take advantage of Werkmeister”.
Werkmeister whose D scale is the closest to Just Intonation…cool! 
And i was reading a page today on how to tune a keyboard instrument by ear, and it said:
- well-tempered tunings are easy to do; equal temperament is very hard.
- in the past nobody said “i tuned my piano to Werckmeister!”; they just said “i tuned my piano!”. Whatever works…
I found it again! It’s here:
http://home.mindspring.com/~judithconrad/id2.html
I’ve been spelling the guy’s name wrong, though. It’s Wer**c**kmeister.
Another page with interesting information, though probably not 100% accurate:
http://www.dogstar.dantimax.dk/midiutil/
He has a Bach thing there, played in equal temperament:
http://www.dogstar.dantimax.dk/midiutil/bachmedl.mid
and in Werckmeister:
http://www.dogstar.dantimax.dk/midiutil/bachtemp.mid
in the past nobody said “i tuned my piano to Werckmeister!”;
they just said “i tuned my piano!”. Whatever works…
Yup. Thus,even until during 1950s,pianos were able to be tuned to various temeperament. Cuz they just tried to tune their piano to “good” temperament,not equal temperament. Easy to imagine what happened anywhere before 1950s. There must have been much more variations on tunings.
Although having one standard really works for commercial purpose. If a fair amount of people have similar taste,merchants can easily count their money. Thats what have happened until recently I would presume. 
The fact that the taste and style of music differ from region to region doesnt fit in commercial purpose,at least not well. Need one big standard to earn big money.
Well,anyway things keep changing so fast that I am getting dizzy. The days when almost nobody ever tried to listen to temperament issues seem to belong to a different age. Not so bad feeling though. I believe I live in good days.
I wonder if I could tune my Hammered Dulcimer in Just temprement.
Has anyone tried anything like that?
Is there a web site for these Humphrey whistles? I hate to ask Peter since I’ve been starting arguments with him lately.
For feck sake don’t be silly :roll:
Of course you can.
Just temperament is key-specific, though so you may find yourself retuning when you want to play in another key. 
Someone posted these links to a BBC radio program (two episodes) about tunings, but I’ve lost track of where they were posted.
I was able to retrieve the link to the first show from my RealPlayer, and I found that changing the “1” to “2” in the URL got me the second episode, so we’re back in business. Here they are:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/science/rams/outoftune1.ram
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio4/science/rams/outoftune2.ram
I haven’t listened through the second episode yet, but it starts with a microtuned dulcimer and mentions someone who uses dulcimers in a variety of tunings.
Best wishes,
Jerry
OK, i played the thing in session tonight. The only time i noticed some clashing notes was when there was just an accordion and another whistle. But the other whistle was a Generation 
and i’m not sure the guy was in tune anyway. It mostly blended well. It had enough volume to keep up with the session untill it (the session) got too loud. At that point, the lack of the “pop” that i get with the O’Briain or the Silkstone put me in disadvantage.
But overall, it blended well with the other instruments and was a fun whistle to play.
g
OK, you asked for it… I played the same thing on the Raindog/Humphrey, and on the Silkstone, which i think is the whistle i have that’s the most simillar to the Humphrey:
- Humprey
- D scale (68Kb)
- Silver Spear (307Kb)
- Silkstone
- D scale (84Kb)
- Silver Spear (346Kb)
I think the differences are subtle. I’m curious if they’re noticeable to anybody, in the recordings.
g
Groovy! Thanks for that, G.
I do like the sound of the Humphrey very much (and I am confirmed in considering the Silkstones brash, empty things—to each his own, I guess).
I think I can hear a difference but I am not sure that I actually do. The differences may be subtle enough that it’s hard to distinguis intonation from timbre. For instance the Silkstone sounded slightly lower to me: Did you tune them both to the same pitch beforehand? And the Silkstone sounded a bit harsher, but weather that is harsh equal vs. soft Werkmeister, or timbre, I cannot say.
Cool, this sort of thing is really great.
I didn’t use a tuner; they were tuner the same way by virtue of playing them both last wednesday, but the brass and aluminum warm up at different rates, and i’m sure they’re not in tune.
g
OK, i have a slightly better sample for my Humphrey Werkmeister Wide Bore. This is The Mountain Road (reel), recorded as a Scoiltrad lesson. Still not Bloomfield, but a little better than the thing i posted before:
http://snipurl.com/whibe054 → MP3, 867KB
As a curiosity, the Scoiltrad lesson is called The Wise Maid, but at least here in this part of the Empire, Wise Maid is a different reel.
I don’t know if you can do on pc, but on the mac you can click each link for the scale played on the Humphrey and Silkstone, and play them together and hear the variance. Pretty cool.
IMHO, the Humphrey is what I think of as being a rounder, more tubular sort of tone, probably a smoother sine wave (cleaner). The Silkstone, to my ear, sounds a little flatter (sine wave), but more timbre/tone color.
Without a doubt,its the “Mountain Road”, The “Wise Maid” is the reel Planxty play after the Jolly Beggar on their first album.
Slan,
D.
Yes, that’s what i think. I mention the name in case someone wants to buy the Scoiltrad lesson.