Got A Whistle Player's Hornpipe

Hey folks, Duncan was kind enough to give me a hornpipe last week to try out so I could comment on it, so here we go.

This ain’t yer daddy’s whistle obviously, she’s big, loud (if you want) and has something called a “reed” :stuck_out_tongue:

On his website, http://www.highlandhornpipe.com Duncan suggests a whistle player will be able to take up the hornpipe in about an hour. This is pretty much true. Making sounds is certainly tougher than a whistle, but not as hard as, say, a flute. Of course if you already have experience with reed instruments I imagine you would have no problem whatsoever, but for whistle players I think biting down fairly hard on the mouthpiece takes some time to get used to. After a weekend of playing for maybe half an hour or so a day, I’m starting to get an idea of what the instrument can do with embouchure and air adjustments… which is quite a bit. As for the thumb hole, I think I’m starting to get used to it, it is not too much of a change, just an extra hole to remember.

There is an incredible range of sound that can come out of the hornpipe, from an incredibly loud, low bark of a hard D to a middle D that is unbelievably quiet for how the instrument looks. Once you get used to it you can modify your sound and volume to a remarkable degree. Tightening around the mouthpiece will give a pure tone, loosening will make it much more reedy, a sound I love, it is somewhere between a whistle, flute and pipe. You can modify the sound as you play, very effective at giving emphasis to some notes. Every time I pick it up I’m amazed at what sounds come out, very satisfying instrument to learn.

The second octave is a tad hard to hit, Duncan suggested that the reed really needs to be warmed up before you go for it. I still have not been able to hit it on mine, but Duncan played his for me and it is certainly there. I like the sound from what I heard. Third register is there too, but probably not something you want to do too often :astonished:

Fingering in the first octave is all the same, except for the thumb hole, as a whistle. One thing that I really like is the crispness of the instrument. Ornaments come through really well on the hornpipe, I especially enjoy crans on it. Depending on the size of your hands, piper’s grip might be best. I have large hands and have some minor troubles covering all the holes with standard grip.

Duncan pointed out to me that this is not a replacement for the whistle, there are things it cannot do, most noticeably the second register is a 1 and a fifth octave higher so for most of your tunes you won’t be able to play the whole way through. Frustrating, yes, because I know I would love to play through all my tunes with it. However, Duncan is compiling a list of tunes in the first octave, and ones that work in both registers on the instrument, on his website. Can’t wait until those are up.

It is a good looking instrument, all polished aluminum. I am impressed with Duncan’s workmanship. In fact I got the one I did because, cosmetically, it did not meet his standards. The hornpipe has some weight to it, but a thumb rest can be used so holding it is no problem whatsoever. It can be tuned by pushing the mouth piece up or down, a line marks where it should be in tune.

When I first heard the clips on the website I was sceptical about how “trad” the instrument was, but,after getting a feel for everything it can do, I can see it now. I like it, it is satisfying to play and has some good sound. I’ll post a picture as soon as I can find some batteries for my digi so you can get some idea of its size.

I had two Highland Hornpipes (A and D) and they were great but now I only have one (the one in D). I was able to pick it up in a matter of minutes (I come from a Bassoon background). For the record a long time ago I asked Duncan about a Hornpipe with Whsitle fingering but I have a feeling that I was not the only one. What Moor says was pretty much the same for me (only the GHB way) I have never been able to get the second octave though.

I am thinking about getting a hornpipe. Is it a good investment?

Really,is there A hornpipe,the key of A?

Then I might want to get one… :astonished:

Ah thats about Highland hornpipe,I see… :frowning:

Don’t think I can answer that for you, all I can say is that I’m enjoying mine.

Actually it is in A mixolydian (two sharps). :wink:

An ‘A’ Whistle Player’s Hornpipe is on its way depending on how well the low D goes. ‘A’ would make a lot of sense for this instrument since a good many session tunes stick between A/G’ and A".

Hello everyone,

I’m really happy about this thread as I’ve been thinking about getting a Whistle Player’s Hornpipe because I really like the sound of this instrument. What made me sceptical was the fact that there are so many tunes one cannot play on this instrument as the 2nd register is more than an octave higher than the 1st.

Would a hornpipe in A be an alternative? The sound sample (jig of slurs) suggests that this is the case - what exactly is the range that this instrument covers? Would it be possible to play along in a session? I wouldn’t mind learning new fingerings if that meant that I could play the same tunes as on whistle or flute.

Michaela

Myrddin,
An ‘A’ hornpipe would still behave in the same way as The Whistle Player’s Hornpipe in D; it would play one set of notes in the lower (main) register and then switch to another set of notes in the second (trickier) register. But I must reiterate that there are MANY tunes that fit within this single octave range or that can be made to fit with very minor alterations There are even some whose B parts begin around A and go up and, therefore, fit both of these registers. I am compiling a list of examples (sorry for not having that up yet). The Jig of Slurs is a good example. It is played on the Highland Hornpipe on the website and is still mainly within a one octave range. The Highland Hornpipe has an extra note (G) on the bottom, below A, which corresponds to Highland bagpipe fingering. This is something I am considering for the WPH in A as well. There is a whole slew of Scottish and Irish tunes that fit within one octave with a flat leading note (G natural) below the tonic, eg. O’Rourke’s, High Reel, Dinky Doran’s, The Tulla Fancy, High Road to Linton, Atholl Highlanders etc. making the ‘A’ WPH a natural next choice.

Thanks a lot for your reply - I’ll have to wait and see what Christmas might bring…

Michaela

GHB fingerings and embellishments are not easy so it would be better to just go for the WPH.

Is there any website where I might find a fingering chart etc. so that I can find out what I’d have to learn? It wouldn’t make much sense to get an instrument I cannot play… :confused:

Start here: http://www.bagpipejourney.com/articles/finger_positions.shtml

As a new whistler, coming from a GHB background, this is certainly an intriging instrument, but would be more of a distraction at this point.

Thanks a lot!

Myrddin,
I can also email to you a fingering chart for the WPH.

A note to whistle players that are not familiar with reed instruments.

A reed instrument may not appear to be easy to play at first right out of the box, the reed needs to be well moisturized (aka wet from your mouth) before with will vibrate correctly. Some woodwind players will put the reeds in a glass of water to soak prior to playing. I suppose Guinness might work as well for those who don’t drink water. :laughing:

True, Daniel.
Also, saliva is part of the digestive system, and will digest reeds over time. Rinsing them in water after playing can double their life.

Other tips on reeds:

  1. Rico Royal French File Cut reeds are the best for the money where I live.

  2. Some reeds do not work. Ever.

  3. Store reeds dry and flat. Rubber-banding them on to microscope slides works great.

  4. Clean reeds with hydrogen peroxide, soap-and-water, or vodka.

  5. Reeds are great! When you have a crumby-playing day, you can blame it on the dryness, elevation, humidity, or the furniture industry for buying up all the good cane.

Sorry, have just come back from a short holiday! Thanks a lot for the offer, it would be great if you could e-mail me the fingering chart!

Michaela

I’ve been a sax player far longer than I’ve played the whistle, so I already know how to use a single reed. I like the sax’s conical bore as you can over blow on the octave, like a pennywhistle, as apposed to the cylindrical bore reed instruments, that over blow on the twelfth interval. I really should get around to making a small sax that has a slight taper, that fingers like a pennywhistle, to see if I can get a sound like the hornpipe. Of course, a small conical bore single reed instrument might also be thought of as a tarogato, especially if it is wood, as apposed to metal; http://hungaria.org/hal/folklor/tarogato/ .

Rod

Tarogatos rock! I played an (almost) Albert system tarogato quite a bit, and especially loved the speed and ease for flying through Eastern dance tunes. Now that ITM has become a passion for me, I wish I had it back. :cry: