French whistle (flageleolet)

[zamppa63]

Does anybody know, if there are makers of the french-type
whistle?

That means: whistle with 4 holes at front side, two holes at backside (for thumbs).

The scale is also different from ordinary:
(as d-whistle) D,E,F-natural,G,A,C,D

[brewerpaul]

Just curious-- why would you want a whistle with that tuning?

[highwood]

Is that a C or a C# ?

I have recently played some French tunes with some unusual key signatures - Bb and C# I think though there were accidentals as well and I don’t think any six holed instrument could be used without some half holes/cross fingering involved.

With a few more details I would like to try to make such an instrument - it would just be a different body for my high D whistle.

[Kypfer]

@highwood

Is that a C or a C# ?

I have recently played some French tunes with some unusual key signatures - Bb and C# I think though there were accidentals as well and I don’t think any six holed instrument could be used without some half holes/cross fingering involved.

With a few more details I would like to try to make such an instrument - it would just be a different body for my high D whistle.

I think you’ll probably find all the detail you need here http://www.flageolets.com/articles/flageolet_family.php … it’ll be interesting to hear of your results if you do make one

[zamppa63]

@brewerpaul

Just curious-- why would you want a whistle with that tuning?

Chromathic things should work better with that kind of tuning (with forked fingerings). And for early music. It is also said that Vivaldi’s “flauto piccolo” was actually that kind of instrument.

[zamppa63]

@highwood

Is that a C or a C# ?

I have recently played some French tunes with some unusual key signatures - Bb and C# I think though there were accidentals as well and I don’t think any six holed instrument could be used without some half holes/cross fingering involved.

With a few more details I would like to try to make such an instrument - it would just be a different body for my high D whistle.

It is C natural.

[killthemessenger]

@zamppa63

@brewerpaul

Just curious-- why would you want a whistle with that tuning?

Chromathic things should work better with that kind of tuning (with forked fingerings). And for early music. It is also said that Vivaldi’s “flauto piccolo” was actually that kind of instrument.

The flautino is generally reckoned to have been a sopranino recorder (assuming we’re talking about the same Vivaldi concertos here).

[Corgicrazed]

New French Flageolets, while scarce, are not impossible to find. The only maker of French Flageolets that I know of is Charles Wells, unfortunately I don’t think he resides on the internet anymore. Here is a pretty good site that will help you out a bit.

Buying a New Flageolet

Hope that helps, and good luck with your Flageolet buying.

[zamppa63]

@killthemessenger

@zamppa63

@brewerpaul

Just curious-- why would you want a whistle with that tuning?

Chromathic things should work better with that kind of tuning (with forked fingerings). And for early music. It is also said that Vivaldi’s “flauto piccolo” was actually that kind of instrument.

The flautino is generally reckoned to have been a sopranino recorder (assuming we’re talking about the same Vivaldi concertos here).

Yes, but you should read some Moeck magazines and Schola Cantorum Basielensis year- ooks. (I can not recall numbers of them acutally), there are some good reasons to suppose that they are for the flageolet (that French type; they made them also in Italy etc.) Of course every model of “flauto piccolo” were accectable (especially, if you are getting paid about it).

During Vivaldi´s time there where about four possible models of “flauto piccolo” : sopranino recorder (in f), sixth-flute soprano recorder ( in d), traverso piccolo-flute, and that french type flageolet.

The actual written ambitus goes down to “low” e1 (at least, one of them).

Greetings. Thank You.