Breath Control/Confusing Advice?

In response to querries from beginners, much well intended advice is freely given on this Board, and that is a good thing; however at times, I’m not so sure what is meant and whether there may not perhaps be inherent contradictions. There appears to be a great deal of talk regarding cheapies, sticking to one whistle initially, the difficulties in controlling certain makes of whistle, getting pre-tweaked whistles, and the importance of BREATH CONTROL.

First, what is meant by “breath control”? I think it is being mostly used to refer to varying one’s approach, attack or embouchure, diaphragm support, therein attempting to get the right note to come out in its fullest fashion in coordination with proper tone hole coverage, resulting in notes that are in the proper octave and move between the octaves intentionally, sustained at will. Strong notes consistently blown. I tend to also think of breath control as looking at a tune and finding the best places to get some needed air without running out in the wrong places thereby inevitably ruining the shape or feel of the tune. This would include cutting short some long notes and/or omitting one of the triplet (at least as written) notes; this is also fun, because tunes can be altered in interesting ways, some better than others.

Second, how does a beginner achieve the first part of the above working definition? I really think by trial and error and practice that allows for feedback (recording playback, teacher, other more advanced players). However, much of the advice that’s given seems to direct the beginner to avoid much of that trial and error developmental experience, by avoiding learning to adjust to various cheapie whistles and avoiding untweaked whistles. I understand that positive early experience is helpful and that beginners should not try playing whistles that get too much in their way and that they should perhaps avoid whistles that require
too much in the way of, as I think Wanderer aptly put it, “breath gymnastics.” However, it is exactly a certain amount of that “gymnastics” which may actually help learning players develop, compare, adjust, etc.

Third, I think there is a certain amount of almost sterility, in being afraid to try various whistles and having them “cleaned up” or tweaked from the beginning. For me, part of the great joy of all of this has been messing around with a great variety of whistles - preferably cheapies for the beginner or anyone who wants to - and accomodating myself to all of them. Eventually one can then try other types of whistles, like the thick walled aluminum ones that require other aspects of breath control.

What do people think about this? I’m wondering what the learning experiences of some of the more advanced players were/have been? Is my thinking in this somehow off base? Cheapies, by definition, don’t cost much to experiment and play around with, or even stay with always.

Philo

We do have a bit of a paradox going on with respect to advising
beginners. One the one hand, we don’t want a beginner to get
frustrated with the sound of a difficult cheapie (especially
problematic with adult beginners). But on the other hand, we
might not want a beginner to settle on the sound of a fancy
whistle, but never develop good control or tone.

IMO, the most important effect of good breath control is good tone.
I would think it wise for beginners to start (with any whistle) by
listening to good players and trying to emulate their tone. Also,
in a perfect world, every beginner would record themselves and
listening for problems. This is a humbling but rewarding practice.

I personally don’t advise to people to necessarily get easy instruments. But I do believe beginners will experience a certain level of frustration playing harder instruments.

When I say breath control, I mean it in the first sense you post, and I figure most everyone develops it over time if they develop their ear.

That’s breath control.

That’s phrasing.

With the whistle, I think you could start by focusing on two things: one is how you support your breath and release your air in a controlled fasion (the process of so-called “diaphragm support,” which is really abdominal muscle support) and the other is how you focus the air that goes through the whistle. If you wander over to the flute forum and do a search on words and phrases such as “breathing” “diaphragm” “breath support,” etc. you’ll find a lot of good advice that can transfer over to the whistle.

I just “think” steady and uninterrupted stream of air, just the right amount to make it sound right. A bit more for the top notes, a bit less for the bottom but always steady. Or pretend my lungs are the bag for a chanter. Don’t matter the brand of whistle or flute, tweaked or not.

If there’s enough scholarly consensus, would it be worthwhile making a sticky glossary post? “Breath control,” “back pressure,” “phrasing,” “bad mojo,” etc… :smiley:

Ya know what! Some people just think too much.

Hey, we all gotta do what we do best! :smiley:

Guiness, I love a man who can reduce my blather to a sentence or two; thanks mate. :slight_smile:

Philo

Good answer Philo.
Maith thu (Good on ya.)

Oops - shoulda read this one first before submitting my most recent post :blush:

The thing is - folks ask the same question a lot about this.

Or do they? Often these air velocity/timing/physiology/physics/philosophy-of-chiff questions can justify wildly different responses depending on the context of who’s asking and when.

Sure it’s a good idea to establish a standard vocabulary - place it on a prominent billboard and defend it, but good-old direct human communicating serves a little more than absolute information and the thread usually arrives at some damn fine advice and even an occaisional valuable insight.

On whether it’s better to read page one from top-to-bottom or bottom-to-top … ? now there’s a goat of a different bodhran :wink:

I quite enjoyed your post. :slight_smile:

Be damn careful who you take advice from. ITM and whistling has a HUGE middle ground between total neophyte and Master. A lot of the people in the middle ground (like me) know just enough about both subjects to be dangerous. :slight_smile: