"An Arguement for Misspelling"

I am a horrible speller (sight reading anyone?). My oldest son is also a horrible speller (whole language anyone?). My youngest is very good at spelling (speech therapy anyone?).

If I’m doing something for work, or official, I will use a spell check (although I hate training them for scientific words). On here, if I notice it’s miss spelled, I will usually go back and fix it, but sometimes I honestly don’t notice.

It’s not laziness - although I suppose I could run every single post I put through a spell check. I can spell chemical names just fine - it’s simple words (that one would have learned if one had had phonics) that I have difficulty with.

And since I KNOW I have issues with spelling, I really have no problems with someone correcting my spelling. But I hope that the content of my posts is more important than the presentation.

If I read a book spelled in such a way, I sure enough wouldn’t chalk it up to “evolution” at all. Deliberate artistic license, yes, if I couldn’t tell and was feeling charitable.

This is a good example of a literate person who is unable to effect the ignorance of the semi-literate. Your grammar is too correct. Also, a person who is spelling phonetically would have used “thru” or “tru”, not “through”.

Finally! - a therapist for my arithmetical dysfunction.

djm

True, but that’s not the point I was addressing.

The sentence as I typed it will make it fine through spelling-check software, as none of the words are misspelled. It is an example of why only depending on the spell-checking features of Word, for instance, will eventually get you in trouble.

–James

“My name is (Jane Doe) and I have opened a new practice in Birmingham, specializing in working with families as they go through the downward spiral of addition.”

I’m relatively certain addition makes numbers go up, not down. Jane Doe is not qualified to help families with their math-related issues.

Take writers of books, for example: authors with spelling difficulties are not news. The content is paramount, and spelling is a peripheral detail. That’s what editors are for.

I’m not sure which authors you’re talking about. From what I know, if you send an editor a story filled with spelling mistakes, the editor’s going to toss it in the nearest wastebasket. If he’s really nice, he’ll send you a letter telling you to learn to use a damn spell checker. Editors don’t have time to slog through everything they’re sent doing work the writer should have done in the first place.

This is an example of why spelling software on computers won’t always be of much help.

They are TONS of help. Your example is just deliberately designed TO pass a spell checker. Sure, there are words they won’t catch because they look like another word (although a grammar checker can sometimes catch it), but most misspellings don’t look like other words.

We need standard spelling, because we need to be able to understand each other. Personally, I don’t want to have to waste brain power trying to muddle through somebody’s writing that’s written with their own individual spelling because they don’t want to learn the same English language the rest of us learned.

Should language evolve? The English language, with all its chaos and difficulty, evolved, and look how fun it is to learn. Do we really want it to go evolving more and getting worse? Personally, I shudder every time I get a text message that reads “hi how r u im god i hope u r 2”.

My new album of death metal polkas will be titled “The Downward Spiral of Addition.”

Couldn’t tell you specifically. Perhaps it’s just an urban myth, but I’ve heard that more than once. Maybe it’s a case of those who need them having their own editors. It would only be smart thinking to do so. I sure as heck wouldn’t submit a work full of bad spelling except where it was deliberately intended.

Or even “affect” it.
There’s no such thing as an “effectation”.

Darn! I saw at soon as I read the quotation at the top of your post! ARGH!!! And I kept telling myself, “Don’t use the wrong form. Don’t use the wrong form.”

I have read several books that were self-published in fields too obscure to get the attention of a professional publisher. Gawd, could they use an editor … and a spell checker … and a grammar checker … and a life …

djm

Regarding employees who send in a great resume but fail to live up to it: We have a great nurse in our clinic. She knows her job and has a cute personality. I don’t recall what her resume looked like, but obviously it was okay or better since she got an interview. However, if she’d said, “Have you tooken an antihistamine in the last few days?” during the interview, she wouldn’t have been hired. Since my office is close to two exam rooms, I hear her say this several times a day. She’s not going to lose her job at this point, but I do wonder if patients are a little hesitant to have tests done by anyone using the word “tooken.”

Susan

Of course it did. I might go so far as to suggest that’s to be expected. Established spelling, however, has been pretty consistent since the 1800s. There’s a difference between linguistic change and orthographic chaos.

Assuming that there was something in the letter that Dale quoted that indicated that she was not hawking contraceptives…

I’m not sure what “working with families as they go through the downward spiral of addiction” means?

Does she have some means to help them spiral faster downwards?

Well, perhaps in an old fashioned sense, I can appreciate what has been said about the use of language.

However, in the more recent world of the Internet, perhaps yet another variant could appear.

:wink:

It’s funny, I have a half dozen or so that I have to stop and think about every time. Effect/affect. it’s/its. embarrassed/embarassed.

Without a doubt, though, I am making more errors than I used to.

Perhaps, but it still tells you nothing at all about how the literate people of Chaucer’s day read.

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And in fact, there is a major difference between how we read now and they read then.

Until the standardization of spelling and the arrival of print, everyone moved their lips while they read. This was true of Chaucer’s day and true of Shakespeare’s. Reading was a auditory process. You said words that were written, and listened to yourself. Even today, that’s the easiest way to read Chaucer or Sir Wawan and the grene cny3t (er, Sir Gawain & the Green Knight). If you do, you find the spelling issues fall away, and suddenly you’re getting it, even if the passage looked impenetrable when you saw it initially.

The text below has a couple of letters we no longer use, a few others represent sounds that differ from the represented by that letter today, and there are some archaic words. Once you’ve learned those, you can sound it out and understand what’s going on pretty easily

Þen comaunded þe kyng þe kny3t for to ryse;
And he ful radly vpros, and ruchched hym fayre,
Kneled doun bifore þe kyng, and cachez þat weppen;
And he luflyly hit hym laft, and lyfte vp his honde,
And gef hym Goddez blessyng, and gladly hym biddes
Þat his hert and his honde schulde hardi be boþe.
‘Kepe þe cosyn,’ quoþ þe kyng, ‘þat þou on kyrf sette,
And if þou rede3 hym ry3t, redly I trowe
Þat þou schal byden þe bur þat he schal bede after.’
Gawan gotz to þe gome with giserne in honde,
And he baldly hym bydez, he bayst neuer þe helder.
Þen carppez to Sir Gawan þe kny3t in þe grene,
‘Refourme we oure forwardes, er we fyrre passe.
Fyrst I eþe þe, haþel, how þat þou hattes
Þat þou me telle truly, as I tryst may.’
‘In god fayth,’ quoþ þe goode kny3t, ‘Gawan I hatte,
Þat bede þe þis buffet, quat-so bifallez after,
And at þis tyme twelmonyth take at þe an oþer
Wyth what weppen so þou wylt, and wyth no wy3 ellez
on lyue.’
Þat oþer onswarez agayn,
'Sir Gawan, so mot I þryue
As I am ferly fayn
Þis dint þat þou schal dryue.

To understand the difference, think about the difference in being able to read music. Some can read a score well enough to to work out how to play something, but with a little struggle. Others can sight-read at speed while singing or playing, but can’t sit down and ‘read’ a score silently in their heads, while some can.

When it comes to reading text, we’re nearly all in the last group. These days it’s embarrassing to move your lips while you read. If you do, people will call you stupid. We now read visually, using pattern recognition to identify whole words instead of letters–rather than audibly by listening. This way is a great deal faster. We now can read faster than we speak, but that’s a comparitively recent change: the visual trick depends on having standardized spellings, and only began becoming the norm after spellings began to be regularized in about the 17th century.

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“Affect”, shurely.

No, I say! Resist consistency. Efficiency is a questionable value. :smiling_imp:

We covered that a page back. And quit calling me “Shirley”.

an he misspelt it…

Nano expressed my feelings back on page 1. (Thanks Nano.)

I am at conflict with myself in this area. I am distracted by, and somewhat biased against, misssssspelling. Even my own.

OTOH, as the parent of a kid with a few language-learning issues, I have to remind myself that my preference for extreme literacy can be an unfair stance.