Would appreciate everyone's opinion... PLEASE :o)

I have the time and some web space that needs filling and have been contemplating creating a website of whistle sound clips to give those of us who don’t have access to a lot of whistles at least a general idea of what they all sound like. Clips would be arranged by whistle type and then by key. Each clip would simply be a moderately paced scale going from the whistle’s lowest note to the highest note it’s cleanly capable of, and then back down to the lowest note again.

I would need help from all of you in the form of the sound clips since there is no way I could possibly go out and buy one of every whistle and I won’t have the ability to record my own clips for a little while yet due to my current computer’s limitations.

I would also need to find a program to run the MP3 sound clips through in case I need to adjust the size of the file or edit out some empty air at the end of it or something. I know there are some good programs out there, the trick is finding something that would be easy to get that would work with Windows 95 (again, due to above mentioned computer).

So is this even a good idea? Are there enough of you out there that would be willing to share some whistle clips to make it work? Would such a site be helpful? Practical? Any comments, ideas… insults :wink:?

Would appreciate some feedback here everyone.
:slight_smile: Thanks…

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[ This Message was edited by: Sunnywindo on 2002-06-18 18:28 ]

[ This Message was edited by: Sunnywindo on 2002-06-18 19:00 ]

I think it would be a wonderful idea! There have been many times when I’ve been contemplating getting a new whistle and wished I could hear what it sounds like to help me decide whether or not I want to buy it.

Sounds like a great idea…but I could never contribute, even though I would like to, because of my technoligically-deprived house.
-Ross

I like that idea. Clips & Snips is good, but when you’re hearing tunes, played by people of varying degrees of expertise, it’s harder to compare “this whistle vs. that whistle.” Simple scales would be very useful.

Redwolf

I think it’s a good idea, but there are so many variables in the recording process that make judging a whistle by a sound file very difficult. For example, the quality of the microphone used in recording will have a major impact in the quality of the recording. A whistle that sounds bad in person can be made to sound good when recorded with a top quality microphone. If you could eliminate some of the variables in the recording process you would have more accurate comparisons between whistles. I’m not trying to discourage you, but I don’t think anything can take the place of hearing a whistle in person.

[ This Message was edited by: Bartleby on 2002-06-18 20:54 ]

Another needed item is a whistle review board. Somewhere that you can read reviews by people who actually own the whistle you’re interested in. This could be categorized by brand, model and key. Harmony Central does this with guitar related equipment. Check out - http://www.harmony-central.com/Guitar/Data4/

Gary

That’s a good idea, Gary. Maybe some html guru can set up an opinion submission page, with a link to attach a sound file if you have one.

I could help with that. It sounds fun

On 2002-06-18 20:53, Bartleby wrote in part:
I think it’s a good idea, but there are so many variables in the recording process that make judging a whistle by a sound file very difficult. For example, the quality of the microphone used in recording will have a major impact in the quality of the recording.

[ This Message was edited by: Bartleby on 2002-06-18 20:54 ]

To add a little footnote to this, not only are there good and bad microphones, even good microphones of different kinds will differ remarkably in their sound.

Many years ago Stereophile Magazine put out a test CD with a man reading into a series of professional microphones, and the sounds varied a surprising amount.

How relevant this would be for comparison of whistles I’m not positive, but even if different microphones still allowed a listener to distinguish a Tully from a Shaw from a Susato from an Overton, they might not give a sufficiently accurate rendering - especially when you factor in compression schemes and the quality and tone of the speakers you listen with - to help you decide unhesitatingly whether you like the sound of a given whistle or not.

Just a thought.

John

sounds spiffy to me!

Well, is there any reason we couldn’t have more than one submission for a particular whistle? then people could compare the sounds from the same whistle on different mics, would that help at all?

I think the simple scale comparison would be great!

You might want to check with David Migoya who posts more to the flute forum. He might have a bunch of samples. When he was more actively reselling whistles on the web, he used to always post a sound clip on his web site of each whistle. The samples I heard were usually short and started with a simple scale.


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Lee Marsh

[ This Message was edited by: LeeMarsh on 2002-06-19 15:41 ]

It seems to me that I’ve seen this before. I’ve checked my links, but can’t find what I was looking before. That site that I’m thinking of allowed users to send in their reviews and then cataloged them. There’s another that has sound samples as well. Of course, maybe I’m dreaming because I can’t find either link right now.

Anyway, you may want to search around a bit before you re-invent the Cotton Jig.



Erik

On 2002-06-19 16:06, ErikT wrote:
It seems to me that I’ve seen this before. I’ve checked my links, but can’t find what I was looking before. That site that I’m thinking of allowed users to send in their reviews and then cataloged them. There’s another that has sound samples as well. Of course, maybe I’m dreaming because I can’t find either link right now.

Anyway, you may want to search around a bit before you re-invent the Cotton Jig.

Erik

Were you thinking of http://www.sessioneer.com?
They catalog reviews of whistles.

Hello,

It’s been a long time since I posted on this board. I’ve been into the mandolin scene, which is already ahead of us on the issue of comparisons. On the Mandolincafe messageboard, they have a link:

http://www.mandolincafe.com/mandotasting/

where you can download samplings of 44 different mandolins, all played by the same person, on the same song, with the same mic. They plan to sell these samplings on a CD, so that anyone can listen at home on their stereo. See if you can tell much of a difference between all 44!

John Palmer

Hey! What we REALLY need is a website where we can cyberPLAY different whistles, not just hear different ones. Could that be done someday with maybe holograms or something???

Sounds fun, but if you plan to do this for more than just a hobby or fun, it doesn’t look worth it. The folks here have made some good points. Maybe you can just post a disclaimer about the differences and perhaps mark which sample come from the same people, that might help. I can record 3 humble scales, but I only play the simplest of tunes.

[ This Message was edited by: Dewhistle on 2002-06-20 14:47 ]

So this mic thing got me thinking of all sorts of strange things (coming from a mind that knows nothing about microphones)… So if a really good microphone makes a recording sound better, does a recorded cd make a musician sound better than they really are? What about on stage? Does a really good mic make a singer, whistle, etc, sound better than it would otherwise? Maybe all some of us need is a really good mic. :wink:

Okay, all joking aside. That mic thing is a bit tricky. Avanutria’s idea on posting more than one sound clip of the same whistle might help some. What kind of mic, recording program, etc, used could be noted along with the clip. So what kind of mic would make for a realistic recording? What else could effect the sound of a simple scale? The main idea here is to get a general idea of what the whistles sound like; perfection is only a secondary, wishful, hopeful, someday goal.

Of course, the best thing would be if I could eventually get recordings using the same mic, etc; whether there were some people who used the same recording stuff, and/or I had some recording stuff and was able to arrange recordings with various whistle owners, perhaps if they were in town at some whistle gathering, or I was in their town. Of course, that could take a long time to, and would be off in the future a ways until I can manage to get the equipment. I can hear my husband now… “You want to buy what so you can do what???” I’m slowly getting him to accept that maybe having more than one whistle is a reasonable thing. The rest of what I would like to do is going to have to wait until I can get back to Utah and get a job. Then, there will be a bit more room in the budget for justifying the purchase of said equipment, and, um… more whistles. :slight_smile:

A whistle review board is good. However, I wouldn’t want to reinvent that wheel seeing as there is already that sort of thing going on at sessioneer.com and Dale’s reviews here at Chiff and Fipple are really good to. I have yet to find a site for just comparing whistle scale sound clips, though if there is such a site I would love to know about it.

44 mandolin clips! There must be a mandolin version WhOA out there to. Oh the perils of being infected with both (or more :wink: ). I’ll stick with whistles. Listened to about a half dozen of the clips. Some there was not really a difference, but with a few there was a bit of difference. I don’t know a lot about mandolins. But I do know there is a really big difference between how my Clarke Original sounds and how my Sindt sounds.

Tinkering with webpages is a hobby of mine. Very relaxing. Combining two things I love, whistles and webpages, sounded like fun. But, ya know, that’s just me…

Of course, if there are only a very small handful of people who think this would be fun it might not work. There would have to be enough interest to generate enough sound clips to make it work. What good is a website if no one else really cares of it’s existence? What’s the fun if there is no one to share the fun with? Perhaps I should just construct the site anyhow and see what happens.

CyberPLAY a whistle online? Cool! Someone out there had better get busy inventing!

Thanks for the feedback! There are still lots of you out there who have yet to comment, so please keep your thoughts coming…

Thought it best to not leave this hanging. After some contemplation, I concluded that under the circumstances, it would be best not attempt such a website for now. sigh Guess I just got a bit ahead of myself caught up in the excitement of whistles and all. Not that I’m giving up forever, it’s just not right now. Or perhaps someone else in a better position will take it on before then. Apologies if anyone out there got their hopes up. Thanks all.

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Agree about the idea as such, very good..

However there are to many variables to make any real comparison between these kind of clips.

If one person record several whistles with the same gear, then you could get some valuable info from it, especially if you know maybe one of the whistles recorded, as a reference.

A tips for you who wants to make “neutral” recordings is to use a omnipolar mic with flat frequency response.

IMO it´s to bad that most of the whistle clips on the net are really low quality, however there are some exceptions, Mick Wodruff comes to mind.

/Peter