Whistle and Banjo, Old-Time style

You must mean this one: http://youtube.com/watch?v=D7zmd4rYh1o

Wow, that bagpipe sounds just like a fiddle!

KAC

I was going to offer a caution against the unstated assumption here about the presence of whistles in Scottish music. But this new thread over in the Flute forum now covers what I planned to say.

http://chiffboard.mati.ca/viewtopic.php?t=60259

I think you are right about Appalachian Old Time.Your contribution in the thread in your link says a lot of what I was thinking while reading this this.

I’m not sure folks who’s roots are not here (in my part of the Appalachian Mountains) realize how truly isolated people were due to our mountains. Anyone interested should read “Our Southern Highlanders” by Horace Kephart.
We’re talking never traveling even as much as 12 miles from home.
I’m sure that one reason for no whistles or flutes was that they were not mass produced when my people came here. That came about a century later. Plus, there was little bought by my ancestors. They were completely self-sufficent and the little contact that was made with outlanders/furriners was few and far between. This isolation kept us talking the old ways, living the old ways, and playing or singing the old songs brought over from way back when.

I grew up with “old time” music. I remember the first time that I realized that the songs I heard played as a kid when they were “makin’ music” were actually Irish or Scottish or English songs that were brought over here by my ancestors and handed down through the generations. Wow! That is how I got interested in ITM and Scottish music. I was fascinated.

People often ask “What is Old Time”, particularly the difference in it and bluegrass? I always say, "the difference is that people can sit and appreciate bluegrass, be amazed at the skill of the performers. Folks can’t sit and listen to old time. Old time makes folks get up on their feet and dance!

Roscoe Holcumb is as fine an example of old time as you will find. I defy you to sit still and listen to this…

http://youtube.com/watch?v=nOLplVapDjc&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-wGgvbHcgyc&feature=related

Here’s a link to a tune played by the Spencer Family(Whitetop Mountain Band)- a really good OT local band. I’ve lifted a foot or two when ever I’m where they are playin’.What they play is like what I grew up with. That’s one of the things about OT, there was usually a family “band”. Everyone played something in every family or danced so they could make music together. My dad, brother and I did. Then all the families would get together on occasion and make even more music and the floor would be bouncin’ with the dancin’ feet.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6yNVv1SuPvo




That’s a “mighty fine” clip of that whistle and banjo playin’. Keep it up!

Thanks for the foot-stompin’ links. :slight_smile: And for the Kephart book rec. I read the descriptions on Amazon, and it looks very interesting, close to primary source material.

In turn, I’ll recommend Albion’s Seed by David Hackett Fischer as an excellent backgrounder to the broad picture of US settlement and regionalism, including Appalachia as a core culture area.

Read the Kephart a few years ago when I was down in the Smokeys. Very good indeed.

Nice work. I’ve had this same pairing bouncing about in my mind for a while. Probably due to that same same clip you mentioned. (I’m guessing we’re talking this one? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7zmd4rYh1o .) Keep it up! By the way, what make of whistle and banjo are you using?

Stephen K.

Sounds great! I want to hear more.

I have a favorite blues tune I heard on Ken Burns’ Jazz that showed me that any music can fit into any musical tradition provided the musician has chutzpah and skill. It’s called “Jim and John” and it’s just a fife and drum played blues style. http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?i=2481862&id=2481947&s=143441 You can hear the African roots in the tune, plus the sound of the blues waiting to be born, but I never heard anyone play a fife like this before. It works.

Some of the explanations offered here go a long way towards explaining why the pennywhistle didn’t make any inroads into bluegrass. We forget sometimes how disconnected the musicians of the world were from each other in the days before the internet. :wink: First the styles developed individually, then tunes were borrowed and evolved, and then we had separate Bluegrass and Irish traditions.

It makes sense that people trying to preserve and celebrate the traditions would be resistant to new fangled instruments “better” suited for other traditions. But masters of their instruments forge the new traditions of tomorrow. And we have yet to see how the internet is going to affect these traditions going forward. It’s really an exciting time for traditional music.

Let me be picky a second- bluegrass and oldtime are two different things. Oldtime is American folk, and it didn’t come from Irish folk though they’re certainly connected in some way. Bluegrass is a style from the last century that came out of Oldtime, Blues, and a bunch of other things. Good post tho :slight_smile:

I knew that. Honest. :party:

There are three current threads here that are similar enough that I didn’t specify Old Time as well. Didn’t mean to make it confusing.

Makes me wonder what I got wrong on the other threads, too. We’re talking about Irish Traditional Swing Timey, right? :wink:

I’m just about to step out the door to Midwest Banjo Camp but I thought I’d share on this subject.

Bluegrass evolved out of what gets called Oldtime. Radio programs like the National Barn dance out of Chicago and the Grand Old Opry out of Nashville played a big part in getting the guys who polished it into what it evolved into in front of the largest audience.

“Oldtime” and what we now know as Trad. Irish were evolving at the same time.
Perhaps some of the biggest influences Irish music had to Oldtime happened before Irish settled into the traditions we have presently?
Dunno.

FYI to the rest of you, Oldtime is not exclusive to Appalachia. At one time it was all over the USA in some way shape or form and it reflects the musical tastes of all the peoples who immigrated through.

SpoonMan, closer to home on the subject for you would be Dear Old Illinois, Polkabilly and the CDs the Illinois Arts Council recently issued on folk songs of Illinois.

I’ve discussed this subject quite a bit with the voices in my head and can speak on it for some length, but I’ll spare you all because as I mentioned, I’m out the door in a few minutes.

Always happy to meet a person comfortable within their own psychosis. :laughing:

Great comments. Thanks.