Whatzit?whiccolo?pistle?

Whistle
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Came across this in a Google Image search,looks like a whistle headjoint on a piccolo(?) Can’t find any more info on it though because the website was blocked…

Here is an Image of a Garklein high soprano recorder discussed in another posting(notice the wide voicing and deep toneholes)…

Here is another Garklein image showing reference size and diagonaly drilled toneholes to spred the finger positions…

Warning!!! check all whistles for dog slobber!(you know they play them when you’re out!)…


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Nothing is impossible! We just haven’t learned how to do it yet!

[ This Message was edited by: Thomas-Hastay on 2002-03-06 16:07 ]

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Umm I give up, What is it ? or what was it ?

Dan

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“Garklein” means “very small” in old-fashioned German. I wonder if that’s where the name comes from.

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You’re absolutely right, Bloomfield.
Michael Praetorius mentions the “Garklein Floetlein” meaning “very small whistle” in his Syntagma Musicum Volume 2.
Ok, they’re only recorders (sorry!), but sound really sweet anyway.

Claus

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Thomas - the home page for the website that photo came from is http://www.flutelab.com/
The company specializes on ergonomic and special adaptations of flutes & recorders. The caption to the photo you posted is:
“A special soprano recorder as used in antroposofical education. It was adapted for one-handed plying using ring keys”

(NO, I don’t know what “antroposofical” means!) :slight_smile:

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On 2002-03-06 15:26, Thomas-Hastay wrote:
Came across this in a Google Image search,looks like a whistle headjoint on a piccolo(?)

The headjoint looks like one of those CHOROI pentatonic recorder like thingies that they use in Waldorf schools. The “tone block” is what gives it away (that little insert toward the top). Must be someone’s Frankenstein whistle. :slight_smile:

Oops, just read DanD’s reply. Yep, it’s a CHOROI then. Personally (much to my wife’s disdain) I hate them. IMHO, they have about as much usefullness as a “Tonette”. Not much range (just over an octave) and as far as fingering not much bearing on other more mainstream instruments. Frankly I would rather my kids play recorder or whistle than those.

Cheers,
David

P.S. Here is one without the keys.




[ This Message was edited by: Feadan on 2002-03-06 19:20 ]

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I don’t know about that. Are you sure some of the items shown are not just worm-eaten cigars?

With the holes so close together it might be tough to play. I wonder how it would smoke?

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A Fippillo!

Vinny

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On 2002-03-06 17:57, DanD wrote:
Thomas - the home page for the website that photo came from is > http://www.flutelab.com/
The company specializes on ergonomic and special adaptations of flutes & recorders. The caption to the photo you posted is:
“A special soprano recorder as used in antroposofical education. It was adapted for one-handed plying using ring keys”

(NO, I don’t know what “antroposofical” means!) > :slight_smile:

Anthroposophy is a philosophy or world-view based on the writings of Rudolf Steiner, a German philospher/visionary who lived around the turn of the century. It is also the philosohpy behind Waldorf schools.

I am no expert at this by any means, and hope someone who knows more will correct me, but just to give you a sense: I think it’s fair to say that the anthroposophists believe that material world is an expression of and permeated by spiritual forces. They believe in reincarnation (after you die your soul hangs out a bit and then is born again as another human being). They believe that humans are made up of four bodies: the physical, the ethereal, the astral, and the self (or soul). They have a notion that your actions affect your future and that this may explain why we are here on Earth in the first place. A bit like karma, if you will.

This view affects their childhood education. The emotions and the soul of the child are in just as much need of growing and being tended to as is the mind. This means that it is not a good idea to, for example, teach reading and writing too early. But it is a good idea to have children handle natural materials, understand the process of crafting things and preparing food, and to nuture their souls with songs, fairy tales, and phantasy play.

Music is important to the anthroposophists, I think because of its emotional and spiritual power. They favor particular instruments, and even particular manners of playing them. I recall seeing them play violins like viola-da-gambas: resting on the knee, facing away from the player (the reason lies in the hand gestures involved).

All anthroposophists I have met have been wonderful, interesting people. As a movement they appear to me a bit more rigid and dogmatical than Steiner would have envisioned, expecially the Anthroposophische Gesellschaft. It always is worth listening to them, though, I’ve found.

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Your description looks about right to me Bloomfield. Of course my wife is the real anthroposophist of the family (she is a Waldorf teacher). The “spiritual” approach to curriculum is indeed an important part given precedence over “cognition”. As my wife phrased it, “Just because a child has the ability to do a given task does not mean that spiritually they are ready do do it”. While I do not always agree 100% with the philosophies I have to say that I can think of no better schooling for my children than Waldorf. I think it fits their needs far better than an approach like Montessori or High Scope (and public school?..shudder… forget it!). I too have always enjoyed the company of Anthroposophists I have encountered.

Cheers,
David


[ This Message was edited by: Feadan on 2002-03-07 10:34 ]

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On 2002-03-06 17:57, DanD wrote:
Thomas - the home page for the website that photo came from is > http://www.flutelab.com/
The company specializes on ergonomic and special adaptations of flutes & recorders. The caption to the photo you posted is:
“A special soprano recorder as used in antroposofical education. It was adapted for one-handed plying using ring keys”

(NO, I don’t know what “antroposofical” means!) > :slight_smile:

Isn’t it amazing how these threads start on a simple theme & rapidly weave themselves into something strange and wonderful?

I took a look at the Flutelab site; I’ve seen a couple of ergonomic adaptations for low whistles through this site, the bent-neck style, and offset fingerholes. Both are intended to make a low whistle more confortable to play, especially for those with short arms and/or small hands.

Re: Waldorf. I’m displaying my ignorance here, but I’ve heard of a Waldorf Salad (thanks to Basil Fawlty) but never a Waldorf School. Is it a very localised thing? Or is it specific to the USA?

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On 2002-03-07 10:48, Martin Milner wrote:

Re: Waldorf. I’m displaying my ignorance here, but I’ve heard of a Waldorf Salad (thanks to Basil Fawlty) but never a Waldorf School. Is it a very localised thing? Or is it specific to the USA?

The Waldorf salad is named after the Waldorf-Astoria in New York City. It tastes good but has nothing to do with Waldorf schools. Waldorf Schools are all over the place, I think, and I’d be surprised if there weren’t any in England. But just like Montessori schools and others you probably wouldn’t be aware of them unless you have kids that age. And even then you might miss them. They’re not exactly mainstream. :wink:

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[ This Message was edited by: Bloomfield on 2002-03-07 10:52 ]

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“I love to plant a seed and watch it grow” say’s Thomas.

Quite interesting postings and much more philosophical than I expected! The “tone bar” mentioned, most probably is a small version of an harmonic bridge used in organ pipes to simulate a “bowed string” sound.

I agree that the “Garklein” is the shortened version of Garklein Floetlein. The “floetlien” refers to “small flute” so I assume that “Garklein” refers to “high range”?.

Bloomfield: The Anthroposophist philosophy sounds a great deal like a “juiced up” version of Shamanism,practiced by almost every culture at one time or another. Crystals,for example, were given reverence for containing energy thousands of years before we,as modern people,used them for electronic frequency oscillators,quartz sparkers for our cigarette lighters,lenses for lasers etc. There is always a grain of truth and new uses for “old magic”.

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Thomas,
Floetlein is “Floete” (flute/whistle) + “-lein” (suffix for diminuative). Garklein is from “Gar” (very) + “klein” (small). So literally, Garklein Floetlein is “very small small-flute”. No reference to pitch there.

I would hesitate to lump Anthroposophy and Shamanism. Anthroposophy is firmly rooted in a Western humanist tradition. They’d regard Homer, Goethe, 18th/19th century classical music as deep spirtual expressions and wouldn’t exactly be seen conjurying animal spirits. But at a certain level of abstraction all views that regard our universe as more than a random and motley jumble of molecules and chemicals are bound to have similarities. On a side note, I think that even those who believe today that there are spiritual forces in crystals and precious stones would hesitate to consider that an incomplete understanding of electricity.

Cheers,