Unknown tune (from Planxty: "Bean Phaídín")

Hi all,

does anybody know the name of the Reel played after this song?
http://www.hostinginseattle.com/bethftp/08_Bean_Phaidin.mp3

WARNING: medium large file, 3.5MB

Recording is “Bean Phaidin” on album “The Well below the Valley” by Planxty.

ATB,

E.

For fecksake, Rakish paddy.

You mean, not exactly arcane? :slight_smile:

check location kids.

Not being from your corner of the world, I am not sure what this means.
Anyway; thanks for the answer. It seems it could be Rakish Paddy, compared to the score I dounf at TheSession.org

Check location kids

Are you having problems downloading? Dont worry, we will remove the tune anyway.

ATB,

E.

I have several versions of people singing Bean Phaidín, right back to the Alan Lomax collection. My favourite is Christy Moore’s version with Planxty. Its interesting that only men record this song as far as I know, but it is definitely a woman’s song. Anyone know why?

djm

A dark tale of rampant transsexualism on Ireland’s western seaboard?

:laughing: :laughing: :laughing: If I had room, I’d be rolling on the floor as well.

Thanks for clearing that up for me, Roger. Who knows what other ominous evils lurk in those bogs?

djm

I wonder…maybe because it’s violent. :stuck_out_tongue:
Didn’t know Christy Moore sang that…isn’t that Andy Irvine or something on “Well Below the Valley?”

J.

I always thought it didn’t really sound like either of them and wondered was it one of Donal lunny’s rare outings as a singer

I always wondered who it was singing that song. It doesn’t sound like Moore, it doesn’t sound like Irvine. The voice is kind of hoarse…I suppose it could be Irvine, there are traces of his vocal timbre. I used to think maybe it was O’Flynn, but that was before I’d ever heard him speak; he wouldn’t have had a singing voice like that. Was it Donal Lunny? It doesn’t really sound like him either. A mystery.

Whoops – just noticed that Peter posted at the same time as me and we both came to the same conclusion.

You’re right that it doesn’t immediately sound like any of them, but I am guessing that that is because the singer is straining to get that “authentic” Gaelic nasal quality into their voice, and from that point it sounds to me to be probably Christy’s voice. The LP just says they got their version fron Sean Mac Donncadh, but not who is singing.

As for being too violent for women to sing, I don’t know. I’ve met some pretty fiesty Irishwomen. :smiley:

djm

I asked Andy Irvine (via e-mail) to let me know who sang on that track; if he responds, I’ll post the answer here.

Cool!

djm

If anyone’s interested, here are the Gaelic lyrics (posted here before) and a translation. The translation was in the liner notes ( of “the well below the valley”, Planxty):


Bean Phaidin (or the woman of Phaidin)

[Cúrfá]
'S é an trua ghár nach mise, nach mise,
's é an trua ghéar nach mise bean Pháidín,
'S é an trua ghéar nach mise, nach mise,
Is an bhean atá aige a bheith caillte.

Rachainn go haonach an Chlocháin,
Is siar go Béal Átha na Báighe,
Is Bhreathnóinn isteach tríd an bhfuinneog,
Ag súil is go bhfeicfinn Bean Pháidín.

Rachainn go Gaillimh, go Gaillimh,
Is rachainn go Gaillimh le Páidín,
O Rachainn go Gaillimh, go Gaillimh,
Is thiocfainn abhaile sa mbád le.

s’Go mbristear do chosa, do chosa,
Go mbristear do chosa, a bhean Pháidín,
go mbristear do chosa, do chosa,
Go mbristear do chosa is do chnámha.

\


[Chorus]
Oh, 'tis pity that I am not, I am not,
I am not the woman of Paidin
'Tis pity that I am not his woman,
the woman he has, gone from him.

Oh I went down by the shingles
and round by Beal Ath na Boige.
Looking in through people’s windows,
to search out the woman of Paidin

{And I went down Toin a’Roisin
and back up by Barra’t Sailin,
And I called out to Matthew O’Casey’s
to search out the woman of Paidin}

Oh, I’d go to Galway, to Galway,
to Galway I’d travel with Paidin
Oh, I’d go to Galway, to Galway,
to be in his boat with him returning.

I wish that your legs they were broken,
a curse on you woman of Paidin
I wish that your legs they were broken,
your legs and your bones to be broken


As you can see, there’s one verse of Gaelic transcription missing (the “Toin a’Roisin” part). -Is anyone capable of transcribing the missing verse?

E :slight_smile:

Missing verse:

Rachainn-se siar Tonn a’ Roisín,
Is thart aniar Bárr a’ tSáilín;
Rachainn tigh Mhaitias Uí Chathasaigh
Mar shúil is go bhfeicfinn bean Pháidín.

djm

Woooh! Thanks :party:


E.

PS. so what does “for fecksake” mean?

Donal Lunny is/was the singer.

for fecksake: We aren’t supposed to use profanity on these forums, or in a lot of literature supposedly available for public viewing, so a long time ago some clever person realized they could circumvent this by changing a letter or two. So if you split the word into its constituent parts, re-introduce a bit of correct spelling, you get “for f*ck’s sake”. I would guess this to be an expletive used to express frustration.

If you are still too challenged in English to follow this please let me know. :smiley:

djm

I see that you have gotten a bit of the etymology already, but in context what it meant was “I can’t believe there is someone who doesn’t recognize Rakish Paddy.” The reason for that of couse is that you’d have to be from a different planet not to know a tune as popular and widely recorded & played as Rakish Paddy. (That in turn explains the post about “check location” which did not refer to the link you posted but your location: lala-land.)

hope this helps :slight_smile: