Two Tune Confusion ... New Rigged Ships

I must give you an ABC lesson someday. You’re a perfect candidate to master the notation, and it’s probably one of the few things I could teach you. :wink:

Ah, OK. So the second two are anticipated. The bare ABC would be |cA2A- Azz2|.

Well, we live in an age and circumstance where people like ourselves have the ability and luxury of stepping outside the traditions, viewing them with an ethnographer’s eye, and choosing what and how we play. We’re meta-traditionalists, as it were.

But I’m thinking of an archetypal situation where tradition is not a conscious choice as much as a natural part of the physical and cultural environment as the air you breathe and the language you speak. Playing a learned melody, whatever the source, by the lights of your own internalized traditional aesthetic is both natural and right. And I worry that it’s too easy for us meta-musicians to focus on what’s lost, rather than on what’s gained or what simply is. It’s just a matter of perspective.

When I play Ashokan Farewell as a straight waltz for contradancers, I doubt they’re grumbling about the loss of strathspey snaps. They’re simply enjoying a nice waltz. :slight_smile:

Hi pancelticpiper

Is this a good example of what you are trying to say?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lm68kGuChcw

David

Yes big Davy! Hear the turns, which you’ll hear in the Scottish “slow strathspey” style. However, some of the “Scotch snaps” were left out. The recording I have of the composer playing this tune features these “Scotch snaps” in various places, including the pairs of pickup notes, the first of each pair being cut or “snapped”.
Well I did a search on YouTube but could not find a clip of either Da Full Rigged Ship or Da New Rigged Ship played as Tom Anderson plays them. I did find a clip of Aly Bain playing them both straight, quite unlike Anderson, from whom Aly learnt them.

Well as an expert YouTube trawler I had a look and found some nice examples of Shetland Fiddling.

Willie Hunter and Ally Bain with Violet Tulloch - no better examples.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_5hSUs11Jo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_5hSUs11Jo

The Ships set - an interesting arrangement but not Shetland style - more North East.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJI5Pw9dWrg

Filska - the younger generation of Shetland fidddling - a great live band.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QXwoUuL1m5g

Some vids of the fiddler who is likely to be Ally Bain’s replacement in the Shetland idiom - Chris Stout.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WN2FgHN26e0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1b8i_Knr_Y

This is the Aly Bain version you were talking about?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SDdpJBXKMA

David

These tunes are open to a variety of interpretations. That is one of the beauties of traditional music. You can play a tune in a variety of different styles and find something in the tune.

Aly Bain plays the Full Rigged Ship in a manner not unlike a slowish Northumbrian Jig.

To get a feel for the style here is a clip of Willy Taylor playing an unnamed jig. Aly Bain is reputed to have said Willy Taylor was the finest player of jigs he knew.

As a contrast, here is a full on Irish Treatment of the Full Rigged Ship

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c7W-bmfJdQc&feature=related