Tuning slide for tenor and baritone regulator.

what do you think about the Tuning slide for tenor and baritone regulator, as Andreas Rogge makes them?
I am just ordering my first Regs, and i have no Idea if i need Tuning Slides or not. :confused:
So, what do the Experts say?

Thomas

It will save you pulling out the entire regulator to adjust the position of the reed in the seat… seems like a convenient feature to have. can’t comment on how well they work though.

Simplify, simplify.

-Thoreau

what do you want to simplify, the Regulator or the Tuningprocedure?
BTW: Thoreau is more on the Tin Wistle side of life. AFAIK :slight_smile:

Thomas

Wow. That was a great reply! See what will be our favorite and admired Uillmann’s next step :slight_smile: Following the Thoreau concept, kazoo and washboard are more than enough for any music. :slight_smile:

I would say simplify the regulator. You will likely be opening or closing the regulator reeds due to humidity changes, which will require access to the reed.
BTW, Thoreau didn’t even bother to boil an egg for himself, and were he alive today, he probably would play a CD.

Do you mean that, the regulator tuning pins on Rogge sets actually do not simplify (significantly) the tuning process, since just moving the reeds in their seats are not enough?
When I was in Elmstein I saw an excellent piper from Ireland with a Rogge set, who occasionally fine-tuned his regulators by moving these slides in the short breaks between two sets of tunes in sessions.

I find that tuning my regulators requires me to adjust the bridle as often as I have to adjust the hight of the reed in the seat. In other words, even with tuning slides, I would still have to remove the regulator from the stock.

However, at the end of the day, it’s your set of pipes, and if you think it’ll help you, then go for it.

Slight pitch adjustments of the lower notes are accomplished with the use of the tuning pins at the bottom of the regulator. The upper note(s) are tuned by moving the reed in the seat. Once the reeds are broken in, settled down, and basically stabilized, most of the regulator reed adjustments will be due to humidity changes, and will require bridle manipulation, (and the removal of the regulator from the stock.). Hence, the sliding tuners might be considered somewhat superfluous, although undoubtedly, there would be occasions when they would save a few seconds. Their greatest benefit, it seems to me, would be that these occasional minor adjustments of the upper notes might be done without running the risk of exposing the reed and possibly damaging it while removing or inserting the reed in the mainstock.

Wow. Thank you for the detailed explanation, it’s OK for me now.

I guess at the end of the day, tuning slides or not, you will still need to remove the regulator from time to time. I guess the question now might be, if the slides add to the over-all cost of the set, do you really want to pay for something that you really may not need?

Do Andreas Rogge’s regulators have synthetic reeds?

Tuning slides on a conical bore Hmmm… thats interesting as when it is pulled out you will have a cavity and cylindrical section. Do you mean the little butons on top that actually slides the reeds in and out ?
Rogge also fits pistons to the ends of regulators as does O’Brian and there copyists
Is there a real purpose to these gizmos because only a very few makers fit these.
Have had it explained to me by a pipemaker some time back about why regs have tuning problems and from memory it is getting the tone holes in the right place but still leaving enough room for the keys the semitone intervles on the tenor reg being the worse
Perhaps he will answer
John

Exactly! That ist the question.
( the Slides are ca. 200€ / Reg )

sic!

Thomas

ā€žDa steh ich nun, ich armer Tor,
und bin so klug als wie zuvor.ā€œ

I found them very useful in chanters when you need quick and small pitch adjustments when you want to play with another pipers at a session.

If you’re a ā€˜gigging’ piper who needs quick onstage adjustment then the regulator reed seat slides might be quite helpful. I think they aren’t maintenance free - they require some discipline and care to keep them in working order. Of the number of sets I’ve come across that have them, a minority were working and ā€œattachedā€.

As Elmek suggests, there are issues with putting a cylindrical sliding reed seat in a conical bore, and many sliding reed seats introduce a larger discontinuity in the staple-to-upper-bore region than a corresponding ā€œtraditionalā€ reed seat. This is one reason why retrofits of such slides are generally not recommended. If a chanter was designed with one in mind and it’s working well, great… there are certainly several makers who use them successfully. I had one on the chanter I used to play, and it seemed pretty handy at the time, but now that I don’t have it, I find I don’t miss it.

o.k. thanks a lot for the suggestions!
I have ordered the Regs without the Sliding Machine.
Your answers helped a lot with this decision!

So, now comes the waiting part…..

oh, BTW: i have the cylindrical reet seat on my Rogge Chanter. An it works very well for me!

Thomas
Simplify, simplify! :slight_smile:

My heart goes out to you. :smiley:

No just the normal cane reg reeds.
He did make reg reeds from a Coke can for Tom Clarke who had them once in this Alan Ginsberg C set.
See Dave Haggerty’s reedmaking book on how to make reeds from coke cans.

Cheers

Ferg

I have the tuning slide set-up on my B set but not on my D set (both Rogge)

Advantages: minor adjustments of the reg tuning without having to take the reg out of the stock
(invaluable when u are actively playing)
It makes no difference to you for taking the reg out and moving the bridle, you can do that just as easily…but you often don’t have to…
reduces risk of wrecking a good reed as you put the reg back in the stock and some eejit bumps into you or you sneeze or hiccup or something

Disadvantage:
If you are piper that can adjust and tweak reeds MORE than just moving the bridle, you maybe even make your own reg reeds, the system is set up with the reed attached to Andreas’ ingenious system by tie-wrap and superglue. It takes some extra skills to be able to remove and then re-attach a reg reed with this system.
Of course, most pipers don’t do this.
However, if a reg reed dies on you and needs replaced, you will have to send the whole reg with reed to Andreas for a replacement reed…or learn how to do it all yourself if you have a spare reed handy
A 4 or 5 inch length of brass tubing goes over the reed end to protect things in transit. The main inconvenience if you play the regs is not having a reg for probably two weeks.

For what its worth, both of my sets play well…apart from when the humidity and temp here drops hugely and the central heating goes on for prolonged periods

Boyd
D set
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f4owevPi6Q
B set
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgaHcvhprVI&feature=channel_page