Rudall alert!

yep, prices are almost 1/2 of expected.
the 11(?) Keys rudall have a smaller number of interested people as it won’t be the best for folk musicians (imho).

the later R&R (4185) seems to have a not original embouchure, maybe made by Mr Wilkes himself?

I agree the 11-key B foot one wouldn’t appeal to most here for ITM use (not that it wouldn’t do the job!) so I wasn’t surprised it didn’t sell. As for the lowest start-price one, the one with the silver lip band, I see no reason from the photo to surmise the embouchure has been bushed and recut. That flute is actually the one I would expect to be the best of the three for ITM. I note it has an upturned long F touch so the R hand piece/tone-holes would need to be turned out relative to the L hand à la Nicholson.

I must admit, I really liked the look of that one with the silver embouchure band. If I didn’t have a bit of a flute glut, I’d have been interested in that one.

If I didn’t already have my Bb foot one, the B foot would have been sorely tempting. Still is, really, but couldn’t possibly justify trying to find the money just to collect… If I was flush, I’d probably… :tomato: :waah:

Honestly, I’m surprised the Pask didn’t go for higher.

Pask is considered by those who have played them to be the finest of the 8key antique flutes ever made in the prime years.

I’ve played one and they are quite incredible.

Not to mention they’re availability is very very rare.
I believe only 1 has come up on eBay in the last several years.

And i’ve not-yet seen one in the auction houses.

Whomever won it got it for a very fair price IMHO (assuming it’s in the playing and aesthetic condition noted).

#2008(?) with B foot = £2500 GBP
#500 with Eb plug and additional Wilkes head = £1610 GBP
#4185 with inscribed silver lip plate = £1300 GBP

I was surprised the two Rudalls that sold today did not go for higher prices. I do not know Seb Knight and notice he has had a lot of Ebay transactions, so maybe it is very presumptuous of me to say this, but I would think he might have done better if he had given some more information about them. And saying you are selling a flute before you have even gotten it back from Chris Wilkes had to have caused some people to wonder. Why not wait a week and then list it as “just overhauled by none other than Chris Wilkes.” I don’t mean to be critical of the seller who I gather is known to some of you and am thinking he is probably a very honest man with a love of antique flutes and I certainly wish him well. I just wonder if others agree it helps to give better descriptions. For example, was the embouchure on the silver plated one recut. Jem thought not and he knows an awful lot about flutes, but wouldn’t Seb and Chris be in the best position to answer that for sure? I don’t know. I would have bid on one or the other at those prices, but somehow neither seemed quite right for me and I just was not sold.

Listing them all at the same time, providing self-competition, can’t have helped to boost the yield. One might speculate at an urgent need to realise funds and the “priced to sell” starting prices would fit with that, but I don’t know Mr. Knight and have no knowledge beyond what he wrote on eBay. He certainly could have done better listings…

Bottom line is that only one of the 5 flutes he put up achieved anything like a decent value and one didn’t sell at all, so far as I saw (the B foot 11-keyer).

He did the same thing several years ago, I remember Andrew thinking it was a very bad idea then. I bought a Valentine Metzler in boxwood and silver from him years ago… I guess if the wolves are at your door, you have to do what you have to do!

Sebnight also has a couple of concertinas up for auction, and indicates a possible medical reason for the sale.

Yes, the concertinas look nice. I thought the flutes had high starting prices, and that a lower starting price would have got the bidding going, prehaps culminating in a frenzy of out of control bids in the last few seconds :astonished: . But prehaps Seb’s starting prices were actually his “buy it now prices” and he just wants to unload the flutes back into circulation, and get them played. Who knows. I was also a little tempted to bid on R&R 500, but one Rudall is enough, and I was watching “Breaking bad” and forgot.
Jem how can a Wilkes head joint cost 1.000 sterling when a Wilkes keyless D flute costs 710 sterling?

I don’t know exactly what Chris currently charges for a keyless D, but had the impression it was more like £900-1k based on conversations with him last year. When I acquired my cocus Wilkes head (& barrel) a few years ago he said it was £800 “full price” but, for other private considerations, charged me somewhat less… So I wrote " best part of £1k" advisedly.

… plus it depends what the pare head and the keyless flute, respectively, are made of.

one Rudall is enough

said Pat as he refilled his crack pipe :laughing:

“said Pat as he refilled his crack pipe :laughing:” Mark P

Breaking bad yo!! :sunglasses:

So that’s what you guys mean when you say, “crack in the barrel” ? Always wondered about that…

Best wishes.

Steve

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Fine-Antique-Wooden-Flute-With-Silver-Keys-by-Rudall-Rose-/151219081162?pt=UK_Woodwind_Instruments&hash=item23355c0fca

and here’s a new one…

That one looks like one of those ‘Holy Grail’ Rudalls to me - perfect condition, the full kit, including case, pot and cleaning rod, silver keys, interlocked foot keys, large(ish) holes, patent head. For the first time for a while, I feel tempted.

Aargh!!!

Hang on … that cleaning rod - the rod looks like an original one to me - does anyone think that at some point someone has glued a fluffy thing on the outside of it? :astonished:

Also … shame, but the grease pot seems to be missing its lid …

:poke:

Pot’s missing its lid, head has a crack (yes, I know that’s not a biggie, even on a PH). The touch of the G# key has an interesting (if not unique) shape. Pewter plug Eb. SL is good for (probably somewhat flat-footed) 440.

Is it my eyes or does the last digit of the serial number look much more like an 8 than a 9, despite the vendor’s say-so? One would need a more perpendicular shot of the digit in question to be sure. It would be rather amusing if the clear 9 on the certificate implied consecutive flutes got case-swapped at the point they left the shop, or the certificates got swapped when pasting in! Or the stamp-wielder picked the wrong number accidentally - given the (typically) uneven, off line and off-centre stamping of the number, that’s by no means unlikely!!! :wink: I wonder if #5318 or 9 is otherwise known to David Migoya?

For what this is worth, #5384 has a dated certificate for 1848 (info from Chris Wilkes), so 5318/9 would almost certainly have been made/stamped within 1 year of it, so 1847-8.

I’d rather have had the B foot one which didn’t sell last week… but this would probably be a better ITM flute. If it plays as well as my young friend Tom’s #4761 (cf photo on FB - middle flute), which is very similar, though larger-holed, it’ll be a stonker. #4761 is one of the best R&Rs I’ve ever tried! Proper roars, it does, with little effort, and sweet and easy all the way to the top of the 3rd 8ve - something Patent Heads aren’t always too good at…

Maybe the pictures were updated, but it’s most definitely 5319 in the picture with the stamp, and matches the number on the certificate and in the description.

BTW, the (new?) description besides acknowledging a crack in the head, indicates that the grease pot lid is damaged, but included, although not pictured.

That G# key does look as if it’s been extended, or the touch replaced completely - doesn’t it look a little odd where it joins the cup? Even the upper C touch looks like it’s possibly been modified - aren’t they usually straight and more blunted? This one seems to angle over a bit at the end, and looks pretty smooth.