Raising pups for GEB

I’m witting here this morning with Essence, the 13 month old yellow Lab pup we’re raising for Guiding Eyes for the Blind. She’s the fourth one we’ve raised, and one of the best–lively, funny, smart. We’ll probably have her for another month before she gets tested to see if she goes on to the training program; if she doesn’t pass, we’ll adopt her, but I think she probably will. (The dog we had before her, much more a a notorious handful of a Lab, is doing fine in training.)

Raising pups for GEB has been a very good experience, a chance to learn about training, meet people who like working with dogs, and have some really nice canine house guests. I’ve missed every dog we’ve sent off, and I hope we’ll have the chance to adopt one who either doesn’t pass the program or retires from guiding, but the solution seems to be to sign up for another pup soon. At four dogs, we’re relative beginners at this.

If anyone’s interested in learning more about the program, drop a PM my way.

Good for you! :thumbsup:

Don’t guide dogs only have a very limited service life? Wouldn’t you be able to adopt one of these afterwards?

djm

djm – Yes, we would. Service life seems to be quite variable. Our favorite of the previous dogs has been happily working in Massachusetts for the last two years; some dogs have come back to their raisers sooner, and some go on quite a while. Ending up with a houseful of Labs does seem to be a hazard for the volunteers, though.

I’d love to do that - but I’m afraid I’d get too “attached” to the pups!

I think service life varies because the dogs are ready to retire at different ages, kind of like people. Some of them love their jobs and can work well into doggie old age, until physical limitations make the work too demanding. Others prefer early retirement. The dogs have to make life-or-death choices daily while navigating their people through traffic and other situations, so their physical and mental capabilities are pretty important.

A house full of labs and retrievers - oh, darn! Oh, perish the thought. :wink:

djm

why labs? Also, why not border collies?
They would seem ideal…

My guess would be that Labs have the temperament for working near the handler, where Border Collies are herders and work at a range away.

But, speaking of Border Collies and working dogs generally, I found Jonathan Katz’ book “The Dogs of Bedlam Farm” very useful in understanding how my attitude towards dogs changed when we got seriously involved in this–his sense of the importance of work for dogs and of keeping the relationship a dog/person one–which meant understanding the dog’s qualities rather than projecting human ones onto the dog. Of course, I do that all the time, still, but the awareness of it, and the place of the GEB Labs as more house guests than family helps with the attachment (sort of-I am distinctly not looking forward to the month or so from now when E. goes off for training).

And here she is:

Plus it has been a lot of fun to have a variety of Labrador eccentricity going through the house in the last few years. And the volunteers talk about dogs, present and past, with a lot of humor and affection, a nice sense of dog & human community.

Have you heard the song “I’m your eyes” by Jack Pearson? It’s a lovely tear-jerker of a song about a retired guide dog (he and his family have a retiree).

Redwolf

Good job!

I too am curious as to why Labs would be the breed of preference.

The clinic where I use to work as a vet tech use to house the dogs that the state police were working with as “potential” officers. They were not real breed specific, giving more weight to the individual dog’s tendencies and potential. I remember one in particular, a mixed german shepherd that was great with all his tests until it came to guns. We even were instructed to put a pistol in his food bowl with the food, but he just couldn’t take the gun. Otherwise he passed with flying colors and someone out there got a great dog. The officer working with him was devastated that he did not make it, because he really loved that dog.

I have a wonderful yellow Lab, Hoover*, who is just a couple days shy of 18 months. Luckily, he is mine for life. We are trainees with our local canine search and rescue group, and hope to be fully qualified as a search team within the next year. I’ve wanted to do this for a long time because I really enjoy training dogs, and I’d like my dog-training hobby to have some useful application.

We’re also a foster family for Golden Retriever Rescue of Fairbanks. If you go to http://www.grrf.org/ and scroll down a bit you can see ‘‘Sable 2,’’ our current foster – an incredibly sweet and easy Lab mix puppy. ‘‘Buddy 9,’’ our foster before that, is farther down the page and is officially adopted now, as are many previous foster dogs. As a foster family, we provide love and whatever training is needed for the time we have the dog – anywhere from a few days to a couple months. For some dogs, we are definitely a doggie-manners boot camp; others just need to know they are loved as they await the right permanent home. Hoover loves the company, and it keeps him accustomed to getting along with other dogs, which is important for his future career as a search dog.

As for why Labs are popular as guide dogs for the blind, helper dogs for disabled folks in wheelchairs, and other service areas: Labs are typically very friendly to strangers, neither aggressive nor shy, and not particularly bothered by loud noises (a car backfiring isn’t much different than a gunshot, which a Lab easily learns to tolerate), so they adapt well to accompanying humans in daily life, even in cities. Retrievers were bred to work closely with a human, so they are much easier to train than breeds which were developed for jobs where they work more independently. Retrievers also have to wait long periods of time in duck blinds, so working, then waiting quietly under a chair, then working again is not too difficult a stretch for them. They have plenty of stamina for long days with lots of walking, but are also laid back enough to tolerate the waiting periods. They are a convenient size, neither too short nor too tall. Labs also require a minimum of grooming. (That’s something I’m really appreciating now, after having golden retrievers for 30 years before ending up with a Lab this time around. Those feathers were beautiful, but I LOVE not having to keep them unmatted and free of sticker-bush branches and burrs.) Golden retrievers are also popular as guide dogs; the two breeds are very similar in temperament and trainability. German shepherds used to be the standard guide dog breed; they may have lost favor partly because their typical life span is now a couple years less than that of Labs or goldens, an important consideration for a dog which requires so much training before starting his/her career.

Why not border collies? I’d guess it’s because the typical border collie is much more intense than a typical Lab, more likely to be nervous and flustered by commotion, and more likely to nip (it’s a herding instinct). They vary in size, but most are a little too short to be a comfortable height to guide an adult. (Maybe that could be fixed by a longer handle on the harness, though?) Or maybe the trainers just don’t like being fixed with the Border Collie STARE. :astonished: Border collies do certainly have the brains and the trainability. They are known throughout the dog-training community as a breed that definitely needs a job to keep their very able minds occupied.

Before anyone gets upset, YES, these are generalizations. Not every Lab has the temperament to make a good guide dog, and not every border collie is high strung. Dogs are individuals, BUT a large part of dog temperament is genetic, so there is a ‘‘typical’’ personality for each breed even though individuals will vary. (Guide dog schools typically run their own breeding programs because the success rates are much higher when the puppies have been bred with the purpose of perpetuating the particular traits that are desired.) The type of Lab best suited for guide work is a bit more laid-back than the type that wins field trials. (A German shepherd trainer whom I know through Search and Rescue training told me her favorite way to get a new SAR dog is to find a shepherd who has washed out of guide dog training due to having ‘‘too much drive.’’)



*Anyone who wonders about the name ‘‘Hoover’’ has never seen a Labrador retriever eat. :laughing: I also hoped that he’d turn out to have a nose like a vacuum for scent work, and he IS doing really well. He loves to use his nose.

Congrats on Hoover (a good description of a Lab at the food dish), and best of luck on the search & rescue training. I went to a demo by a local search & rescue group (they were using mostly Australian Shepherds)–very interesting work to watch.

Border collies are quite commonly used as guide dogs in the UK. The main problem with them is they have an inbred tendency to herd rather than to lead (anyone who’s ever seen a border collie doing obedience work will immediately get the picture!)…the ones used for guide dog work are generally specially bred to remove that tendency. Standard poodles have also been used, especially in cases where the blind person or a member of his family has allergy problems, though the coat care is an additional burden (otherwise they do extremely well, being both highly intelligent and naturally inclined to lead). Boxers have been used on occasion as well, but the breed’s tragically short life span (seven years is pretty old for a boxer) has pretty much removed it from consideration at this point.

Redwolf

We support Canine Companions for Independence http://www.caninecompanions.org/

We started off raising our Lab as a puppy for general assistance work. In some ways, it’s an easier life for the dog than being a guide dog for the blind. Working in a “rigid” harness is tough. Absolutely rewarding (please, don’t get me wrong about that!) but very demanding. In our experience, those are the animals that sometimes need an early retirement and in retirement, really need to take it easy.

Bonnie got hurt when she was about six months old (RIGHT after she was spayed…ARRGGH) and “washed out” of the program that we were in at that time, but she is a GREAT family dog.

“Britt’s Bonnie Lass”

Although many different dogs and other animals have been used as assistance animals, it’s tough to beat the temperment of Labs and Golden Retrievers.

Bonnie is about as docile as our hamsters. BUT when she feels that we are genuinely threatened (and it’s only happened twice) OH MY GOSH does her personality change. My jaw well and truly hit the floor. I couldn’t believe it. It would really take a hardened criminal to take her on.

Someone mentioned that they thought that it would be hard to give up a puppy when the time comes. For us, that part would be EASY. Graduation ceremonies are soo great. When you see partners with their new dog, there is so much joy, it’s all worth it.

AH, but depending on the program, up to 50% (or more!) of puppies wash out. Then you get the phone call “Would you like to keep the dog?”

THAT is the hard part!

We went thru the application process with CCI and were all set to get another puppy, when I got sick. But every year about this time, we wish we could try again. (new puppies get issued to puppy raisers when school lets out.)

(BTW if you ever get the chance to adopt a puppy that has washed out or retired DO IT. Depending on the program, these are oftimes great, GREAT family dogs. Bonnie washed out after she got bit and developed an infection. Today, only our vet could spot the old injury.)

When you enter into the project knowing that the purpose is to raise this pup to serve someone else, you do it because you really believe that’s an important and valuable thing to do. I can see that the sadness of seeing the dog go would be more than compensated by the joy at everyone’s success. Also, you know that the pup you raised is going to have a good life, doing satisfying work in the company of their human.

I had a high school classmate who raised German shepherd pups for a guide dog school as a 4-H project. He got his first guide dog puppy when we were freshmen in high school. I got my first pet golden retriever at the same time, so we were in puppy class and later obedience classes together for a year, and I got to know ‘‘Alice’’ well. When she went back to the guide dog school for evaluation, they decided that she was so perfect in both temperament and physical conformation that they kept her for their breeding program. A couple years later, my friend received one of Alice’s pups to raise. That pup successfully completed guide dog training, and my friend was able to fly from home in Washington state to California to attend the graduation ceremony and meet his pup’s new owner. It was a wonderful experience and meant a lot to him.

Right now, I have a constant parade of dogs going through my home as foster dogs. They don’t stay as long as service dog puppies – the longest so far is about two months, the shortest less than a week. I do get attached to them, some more deeply than others, but I know that my purpose is to help prepare them to be good lifelong pets to someone else. I LOVE hearing that the new owners of one of my fosters have called the rescue organization to rave about how wonderful the dog is and how happy they all are. That makes my day. Also, since most of my fosters get adopted into my not-so-large community, I have the hope of seeing them around town. One dog was adopted by acquaintances, and I know we’ll run into them over the years and keep getting reports on how that dog is doing.

I remembered the lyrics! Jack Pearson is a folk singer who spends his summer every year entertaining here in Mount Hermon and, as I said, his family has a retired guide dog. These are the lyrics to a song he wrote for her. It always brings tears to my eyes.

I’M YOUR EYES

By the door hangs the old leather harness
I’ve worn many times in the past.
It was nothing you said, but somehow I knew
That this day might just be our last.
Neither one of us could stop it from changing.
The unspoken words were quite clear.
But who will I be when we part company
After well over sixty dog years?

I’m your eyes. I’m your eyes.
One step at a time is all faith ever buys.
Do not fear. I am here.
So trust me; I am your eyes.

My new master, she doesn’t seem to need me
The way that you needed me then.
But it’s really OK, 'cause she feeds me each day,
And I’m glad to say we’ve become friends.
And I don’t really miss the old harness,
Except sometimes when no one’s around.
Then I miss your commands, 'cause no one understands
That I’ve lost that one meaning I’d found.

I’m your eyes. I’m your eyes.
One step at a time is all faith ever buys.
Do not fear. I am here.
So trust me; I am your eyes.

Those days are all a maze of stoplights and streets,
Car horns and things I once learned.
In buses and taxis we blended our lives
With every new corner we turned.

I suppose you have some other dog now.
I hope he knows just what to do.
I was glad to retire, but I still feel that fire,
Of my years being a guide dog for you.
And sometimes I sit by the window,
And look down the street far away,
And I imagine us walking just like in those old days,
And in my heart I think I always will say:

I’m your eyes. I’m your eyes.
One step at a time is all faith ever buys.
Do not fear. I am here.
So trust me, I am your eyes.

Redwolf

That reminds me of the story of the blind fellow who entered a department store with his guide dog. He upset a lot of people in the store when he grabbed the harness and started swinging the dog around his head. The blind guy was stopped (literally tackled by the employees) and the police were called. When asked what he thought he was doing in abusing his poor guide dog this way, he replied that he was just looking around. :smiley:

djm

Dogs are amazing. You can train them to do anything.

Not just guide dogs, hearing dogs, sniffer dogs or police dogs. But you also get dogs that are trained to be a general help around the home for physically disabled people. I saw another one on the news today that is trained to warn it’s owner that she’s about to have an epileptic fit, so she can lie on the floor in a safe place before it happens.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/suffolk/6645957.stm