Oh, I don’t know, Jim. As I often say when talking about the Sixties, what really happened is we all cut our hair and sold out.
And that, friends, is as heavy as I intend to get in this thread.
yeah Chuck. Heavy was the opposite of the intent of posting! I always think of that movie, Network, i think, that so eerily predicted the kind of E! news we have nowadays.
I mean, lots of serious stuff going on but the story selection at Browser pages and radio top-o-the-hour news has this mix. I mean, right next to the latest death toll from Iraq is the bit about Yoko. I have this “problem” seeing them on the same page for some reason.
But I am so naive, I never got the deal with Jackie Kennedy O either and all those stories, then Princess Di later.
L7 Weekender
It seems like some people have a need to put some others on a pedestal, practically worship them (like the Kennedys, Princess Di, JLo/Ben, or whoever), then find out they’re not perfect, and then get off on watching their downfall. I’ve never understood that either.
Wrong.
However, the thing Madonna is involved in is apparently a cult, very loosely based on the true Qabbalah, which is an important tradition in Jewish mysticism.
Ridseard,
Would you please be so kind as to provide a list of all the things you don’t know anything about? Two or three lines should suffice, I think.
Best wishes,
Jerry
So she’s not a Catholic? 
Jerry, outside of the three Ms (mathematics, music, and mysticism), I’m lost. For example, any little kid could beat me at trivial pursuit.
What’s Trivial Pursuit?
Mysticism? Hmmm. I would like to hear more, maybe offline, if you’re interested in a discussion.
Best wishes,
Jerry
cj wrote:
Everyone makes fun of us in the South, but we at least don’t have that stuff going on here . . . I don’t think anyone here knows what kabala is either.
However, the thing Madonna is involved in is apparently a cult, very loosely based on the true Qabbalah, which is an important tradition in Jewish mysticism
#1 - Actually, CJ we only make fun of the South up here in the North. Down there we’re liable to be beat up. Even if we know what the Kaballah is.
#2 - Unless you have invented some new definition of a cult, you might not want to sling such a loaded word around. Madonna is involved with a religious / spiritual group that is learning a simplified, watered down, Christian version of Jewish mysticism.
The Catholic Church adapted and adopted Qabbalah lock-stock-and-barrel during the Medieval Era. Augustine, and all that. While these public Kaballah classes are appalling from a Jewish point of view, there’s no harm done, all in all. Why knock a gurl who is trying to better herself?
I believe one or two C&Fers are playing in the sandbox of Tibetan Buddhist mysticism, n’est pas?
#3 - Based on the picture I saw in a discarded newspaper on an airoplane, Brittany was tonguing Madonna, not the other way around.
From what I got on the radio today( I spend most of my working day on the road)-
Yoko’s “performance art” is that she invites viewers to cut pieces of her clothing off her - eventually there is nothing left.
We can only hope no one takes her up on the invitation.
The Kaballah (spelling?) that Madonna is talking about(being taught?) is a vague, watered down, new agey, oppertunistic version bearing no relation to the real thing.
Funny how she said her children’s book was prompted by the realization that what she was reading to her kids was not “spritual”. So she decided to write one!!!
Reckon she was reading “SEX” to the kids? 
as I’ve said more than once- the world is going to 
in a handbasket.
The Kaballah (spelling?) that Madonna is talking about(being taught?) is a vague, watered down, new agey, oppertunistic version bearing no relation to the real thing.
There’s no standard spelling for it. The cult that Madonna is involved in seems to be the one being promoted by Mike Zapolin (otherwise known as “Zappy” Zapolin or “The Kabalist”). According to his web site (http://kabala.com/index.html), various well-known “kabalists” are Jesus Christ, Bill Gates, Madonna, Jerry Garcia, Nostradamus, Moses, and Paul Newman.
Madonna’s not a hippie!
Mr. Walden, you do like hippies, don’t you?
And don’t forget Madonna…so that would be like 2M&Ms=4RIs only?
I like you just fine.
It’s a little known fact that Jesus marketed a line of salad dressing(well before Paul Newman’s) but it didn’t have good sales. It was discontinued shortly after, and he got out of the gormet food market.
Wasn’t his calling, I guess.
As to whether Madonna’s version of Caballa is the one “true” or “real” version or is a “cult”, I don’t think any of us are the final authority to decide that.
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Everyone makes fun of us in the South, but we at least don’t have that stuff going on here . . . If she lived here, Yoko would hopefully be arrested for indecent exposure, and if assaulting the eyes is a crime, she’s be down for that too. I don’t think anyone here knows what kabala is either. And we don’t care what fuel you run in your hummer.
I am from the South. I know what Caballa is, and I -do- care if you’re raping the earth in a hummer. You can’t paint us all from the South with such a broad brush and speak for everybody here, you can only speak for yourself. Sorry.
P. S., Madonna is nice, but Cher is God. 
Cranberry wrote:
I am from the South. I know what Caballa is, and I -do- care if you’re raping the earth in a hummer. You can’t paint us all from the South with such a broad brush and speak for everybody here, you can only speak for yourself. Sorry.
I meant no offense and am allowed to speak generally if I want. I’ll bet most Southerners don’t know what cabala is if you polled them. I was also trying to have a sense of humor about it. Lighten up–I know I can’t speak definitively for everyone–geez!
Everyone makes fun of us in the South, but we at least don’t have that stuff going on here . . . If she lived here, Yoko would hopefully be arrested for indecent exposure, and if assaulting the eyes is a crime, she’s be down for that too. I don’t think anyone here knows what kabala is either. And we don’t care what fuel you run in your hummer.
“We don’t smoke marijuana in Muskogee”
“We don’t take our trips on LSD”
“We don’t make a party out of lovin’”
“Like the hippies out in San Fransisco do.”
“Well I’m proud to be…”
I do not know about your part of the South but some of the places I have been in Atlanta put a whole new meaning to the word “hummer”!!! 
Oh and I am just having fun cj. I know you were speaking generally. It is just the way it came out.
If you’ll also notice, I used words like “hopefully” and “I don’t think. . .” which should have been a clue that I wasn’t trying to speak for everyone. But no matter what you say or how obvious it is that (or should be) that I wasn’t trying to be deadly serious or speak for the entire world (I realize I’m not able to to do that and have no desire to), somebody’s gonna get offended or just be looking for something to pounce on. Fortunately, I believe that most folks saw it for what it was–an attempt to make fun of those who sometimes make fun of us down here! 
(The laugh emoticons should tip folks off that I’m joking here . . . )
Well, I know what the Quaballah is…rather or not this ancient mystical Jewish tradition has anything in the world with whatever Madonna is doing, I couldn’t tell you if you paid me money.
Almost anyone who has read book on comparative religion and / or mysticism will have encountered the Quaballah.
That said, I am also from the South. As the saying goes, “We ain’t all Baptists down here!”
I’ve never met a “neohippy,” by the way, though I’ve known many Southern NeoPagans. Rather or not that is the same thing is a question I don’t feel qualified to address without much more coffee in me than I’ve had a chance to drink yet.
But I will say they have been some of the most concerned, humane, and deeply moral people I have known. These are not “teeny-bopper” teenagers who wear black makup; these are folks from their 40’s and up who have been to the mountain, seen the elephant, and got the T-shirt. Unlike many folks of other faiths I have known, they can give eloquent accountings of what they believe and how they came to believe it.
I hope everyone has a great day today.
–James