On Accents

So the other day, a lovely man from New Jersey (and the father of a friend of mine) asked me where I was from. I said I was from Columbia, SC, and he looked mildly surprised and declared, “Well you have no accent at all!”

My obvious response was “Thank you very much.” I’m pretty sure I glowed, it made me so happy. I love it when people from other regions tell me I don’t have an accent. Because if some podunk hillbilly says “May-un, y’all ain’t gots no accent a’tall!” I am not flattered. But when a dude from New Jersey can’t detect my southern upbringing, I call that capital-V Victory.

He then proceeded to tell me that he has seen people positively offended at being told they lack a southern accent. I’m completely mystified by that.

Discuss.

So, you think your former neighbors are hicks?
jk, sort of…

I guess it depends on whether your identity is strongly wrapped up in your geography of origin, or whether you think of yourself as more of a global citizen.

When I’m in my father’s homeland (Tazewell, VA, near Blacksburg,) I find the twangs creeping into my voice.

I have similar experiences. I live in St Augustine. Fl, a tourist town, where there are lots of people from all over the world. Often, when I’m talking with people they are surprised to learn that I am a local. I’m still not sure wether I should be happy or offended. I’m offended that they expect the locals to talk like hicks. But I’m happy that I can shatter their illusions.

Oddly enough, I can often guess where someone is raised based on their southern accent. I never mention it aloud(for fear of embarassment) but I’m right about 75% of the time.

On another note…I have a hard time distinguishing the accents of Aussies from South Londoners. Luckily, they don’t take offense very easily. Although, I was terribly embarrased when I mistook a group of drunk Liverpool chaps for being Scots!! I never miss the mark on figuring out the Irish though.

This happens to me as well. I think of it as having an “adaptive personality”. My voice and mannerisms change subconciously depending on the group I’m with. If I ever make it to Ireland I’m sure I’ll be indistinguishable from the locals within a fortnight(thanks in part to the red hair, tin whistles, and generally european mindset). I’ve been known to fool people with my put-on accent.

I think the disappearing of regional accents and dialects is a little depressing. It’s homogenization thanks largely to TV, but also to migration. I still have mostly the Connecticut I grew up with, but also a little bit of Maine, Boston, Virginia, and Maryland. My wife thought I was from California when we first met. I thought that was insane till I heard myself recorded on our answering box. The combination of Connecticut and Virginia really does sound a little California-ish. Like Em, I tend to lapse more strongly into one accent or another if I’m immersed in it.

I knew someone from South Carolina who insisted that her name, Ann, was two syllables. She even wrote it out, Ay-yun.

I knew someone from South Carolina who insisted that her name, Ann, was two syllables. She even wrote it out, Ay-yun.

Well, that’s because it does have two syllables. :slight_smile: It’s my middle name so I reckon I oughta know.

I’m about an hour southwest of the Tazewell of Em’s youth and by golly I do have an accent. Yep, and proud of it! I too, think it is sad that regional accents are fading. I love to hear them.


"May-un, y’all ain’t gots no accent a’tall!

That would be me, the podunk hillbilly saying that, with a sympathetic tone to my voice. The eldest daughter use to date a guy from Columbia and he had a great southern accent .

I had quite an accent growing up, I’ll add. I pretty much purged it starting in middle school, because I decided I hated the South and everyone in it. I don’t really hate the South anymore, but I don’t have an accent, either. :slight_smile:

I’ll have to record myself speaking so you guys can decide about my accent. And also whether I sound like a girl or not.

Some folks are proud of their heritage and traditions, others are not. Some folks see themselves a certain way, and get jostled when others do not see them in the same way. I am not surprised people get upset at either declaration, an accent when there is only a trace of one, no accent when a person may or may not have one. Some folks get quite upset over really, really trivial matters, sometimes obsessively so.

TV and a mobile population means accents are less and less. Without TV and travel, after many generations, eventually, a place looks like India or China. Places where locals can not understand folks in the next town a mere 20 miles away.

Some folks mock accents and mannerisms to denigrate or sling insults at others. Some folks try and replicate them for fun, or for acting out a role.

I have an accent, and to some of you it would sound quite strong…

But at that, the old Arkansas accents are dying off.

I remember when I was a child, my grandparents and my aunts and uncles, the way they spoke: there was such an honest forthrightness to it, as though everything they said had to be carefully thought over, because it came straight from the heart and they were scared they’d get it wrong.

And the women…!!!

Glorious rich voices thick and rich like honey. I hear women talk now, and there is still some accent, but that glorious speech that was the color of the setting sun is all but gone now…only the very old still speak in that voice.

I am proud of my accent. I not only am from the South, I am proud to be of it.

Not to say that the South is perfect, not by a long shot. But it would have been a poorer life if I’d never learned to hear and love the warm resonance of the southern voice.

–James

I have a rather generic American accent, which I guess is good considering the alternative–a New Jersey accent (I rather like my state, but I don’t care for the accent)–and I don’t pick up accents very easy in general (NOT useful when trying to learn a foreign language :stuck_out_tongue: ). The only exception I can think of to this is that when I’m talking very animatedly or losing my temper, I sometimes begin to sound slightly…Irish…and that’s just wierd.

The problem with accents is all the steriotypes that go along with them–level of educaiton, snobbishness, etc.

No matter who you are or what you do, someone is going to stereotype you anyway.

You might as well be you; it’s what you’re best equipped for, anyway. :slight_smile:

–James

I was out the other night having a bit of random fun and a woman asked me if I was Irish or Scots. I wasn’t sure what she meant, so I told her I was Irish since my great grandparents were Irish immigrants. She said her Mom is from Dublin and she thought I was from there too. Honestly I wasn’t trying to mimic anyone so I was genuinely surprised. I don’t have an accent, but people ask me where I’m really from all the time, even in my home town. I must have unconsciously made one up, or maybe its from too much travel and studying too many different languages. Or maybe I have a speech impediment, I really don’t know.

Speaking as a non-American, of course you all (ie, Americans) have accents! :smiley:

Everybody speaks English with some sort of accent.

However, it seems to me that Americans do tend to take their “generic” American accent as the default/standard, and consider that NOT to be an accent at all. I don’t really see that same attitude in the English or any other country’s people.

Is it because it’s truly a generic accent not linked to any region? Or does that generic accent actually originate somewhere, say California/Hollywood? I’m curious.

I’m not that good at distinguishing between your regional accents beyond recognising the more stereotypical accents from New York, New Jersey, Boston, the south (in general - I can’t really tell the differences between the diff southern regions) and maybe those broadly from the mid-West who stretch out and broaden some of their words. Everything else I hear on TV I would consider a generic American accent.

:astonished: :boggle:

I always think I’ve got a fairly neutral accent, then I go to England and spend a few days with people quoting Taggart at me :frowning:

According to my English friends it gets worse the more I drink.

The stranger one was when I was in Newcastle for a weekend and some girls thought we were Irish. At least I think that’s what they said, I couldn’t understand much through their thick Geordie accent.

People from the “north” say I have a southern accent.

People from the “south” say I have a northern accent.

I’ve lived in the same area all my life - I just have MY accent…

Every single person on the planet speaks with an accent; every single person on earth speaks a dialect.

If you look at a map of how dialects spread in the US over time, they all originated on the East Coast, with early immigration patterns directly influencing their development (i.e. Southeastern English in New England, Ulster Scots in Pennsylvania and parts of Virginia, etc.). As the US expanded, these populations fanned out westward and dialects got mixed, diluted, reconstituted, etc. There are very distinct dialects to be found all over the US, but particularly in the West, people aren’t so attuned to their subtleties.

I’ve spent the bulk of my life in Northern California, Oregon, and Washington, which have relatively similar dialect features. Things like upspeak (where statements sound almost like questions…Also prominent in Australian English) and certain vowel raising (e.g. “good” sounding almost like “gid”) frequently appear in my speech. I also do more speaking with a creaky voice (aka “Courtney Love speech”) than most people, and this is thought to be a trait particularly common among young people in the Pacific Northwest.

Linguists frequently like to point out that the idea of TV flattening out everyone’s accent is a myth. In fact, some American accents are actually becoming more distinct, not less. However, there was an interesting study recently by the University of Glasgow that asserted that the spread of “Jockney” (i.e. working-class Glaswegian dialect with some adopted Cockney features) was being influenced by young people watching London-based TV shows. However, I would still argue that TV isn’t the big influence people think it is. People in locations as diverse as California, Illinois, and Michigan have all been polled as stating that people on the national news “speak just like we do”, which is definitely not the case.

I could go on and on about this, as I happen to be doing an MA in linguistics and I’m particularly drawn to issues concerning sociolinguistics, but it’s late. Linguists love dialects and we are at pains to point out that the way someone speaks has no bearing on his or her intelligence: African American Vernacular English (aka “Ebonics”) has very clear grammatical rules, some of which are actually more sophistocated than those of Standard American English, they just happen to be different rules. The same could be said about the dialects of people from South Boston, the Blue Mountains, or Hawaii. Unfortunately, in the quest for greater economic prosperity, most people don’t seem to be so enlightened. In a study from the 1970s of English in New York City, a group of business leaders were selected to listen to random samples of New Yorkers and assess what jobs they were qualified for based on the way they talked. When one woman spoke a short sample including 10 examples of the letter “R”, she was given a score of 70 % likelyhood of getting a well-paying secretarial job. Later, the same woman’s voice appeared again reading the same sample, but this time not pronouncing one of the Rs. Her score plunged to 35%.

Incidentally in response to the southern accent thing. I have a thing for Emily Proctor (West Wing, CSI: Miami). I reckon about 30% of that is her accent. Not entirely sure why, but I definitely would not find her as appealing without it.

Why only 1 of the Rs? Why not all?

I’m guessing that the implication reached was that they were prejudiced, and that 1 dropped R caused them to think she came from what was stereotypically a less-accomplished/-privileged background.

But there’s another possibility: could some of the listeners have given her a poor score precisely because she was inconsistent in her accent, thus giving them the impression she was putting on a false accent, and pretending to be someone she was not? Maybe they just didn’t like fakes - I know I don’t. What happened when the same woman dropped all her Rs?

I don’t like people where I live consciously (self-consciously?) putting on fake American or other accents.

I’m not referring to people who move into and live in a different place for so long that they begin to speak like the locals there - that’s understandable. And kids tend to naturally pick up the accents of the people around them.

However, I have some doubts about adults - whose home accents are already crystallized - who move to a different place, and in months, they discard their original accents and speak with their new accent even to people from their original home (so it’s not a case of speaking to the locals with their accent to make sure they understand you).

It all seems very wanna-be to me, as if they aren’t comfortable and proud of who they are.

Doo mayaat, we bayant gotten naccent.

Is there a site anywhere that gives recorded examples of American regional accents/dialects? I remember finding one once that gave examples of English ones. I must go see if I can find it again.

Maybe you ought go live in another dialect region and see for yourself how easy it is to slip into another accent.

After moving to Canada several years ago, I was very aware of my Utah accent because of how different I sounded to myself from everyone else.
It wasnt until I moved back to the US a few years later that I even noticed that i had an accent, however whenever I would call home to speak with my family after about six months in Canada, they would comment on how I was picking up the accent.
I insisted until the day I returned that I sounded all the same as I always did, but lo and behold, when I moved back here I noticed that I did indeed pick up a distinct western Canadian accent that I still speak with to this day (so they tell me; it all sounds normal to me).
I’ve been as far north as the Northwest Territories and as far south as Mar del Plata, and over the pond to the UK, and everywhere I’ve been people speak as they are comfortable speaking, whether they realize it or not.
I speak spanish with a distinct Cordoba Province accent. I didn’t develop that intentionally, it came naturally and is comfortable for me to speak that way rather than correct it’s idiosyncracies and speak ‘properly.’ I speak French like a Quebecois because it’s more comfortable than trying to mimic the sing-songy Parisian French.
If people discover a way of speaking they find more comfortable, consciously or subconsciously, they will use that mode or dialect in their speech.
I think you are underestimating people based on your own personal bias (i.e., the way you see yourself projected onto these other people).