Newbie

Hello everyone!!!

I just wanted to introduce myself. My name is Bryant and I have already turned into a whistleholic after only a few days LOL. I have bought 5 whistles so far and I just started playing about a week ago. I am using the Blayne Chastain site to learn how to play. Does anyone have any other suggestions on places to learn or just tips they would be helpful for a new player? I just got a Jerry Freeman tweaked Sweetone today in the mail and it sounds amazing and I seem to be able to play it easier. I was having trouble with being able to cover the lower holes on my other whistles but for some reason the Sweetone seems to be easier to cover. Anyways, I look forward to interacting with you all.

Bryant

Hello and welcome to the whistle forum. Good start as a whistleholic. There are many avenues to travel for learning the whistle. There is a lot of free info so I wouldn’t recommend spending large amounts of money when you can utilize so much info for free. A quick search here on the whistle forum will get you plenty of tutorials from which to choose.

One tutorial series I will mention is Ryan Duns
http://www.youtube.com/user/RyanDunsSJ

Also a couple of lessons with an instructor will help avoid bad habits developing early on. From what I hear, Blayne’s tutorial is a good one.

Most importantly have fun with your whistle(s) :slight_smile:

Hi Bryant,
Welcome to this incredible forum. Like you, I got my whistle [and a couple of recorders for the grandkids last week] and have become a whistleholic. Wonder if there is a support group for those too deeply smitten? :slight_smile:

Here are some resources that I’ve gleaned from other postings on C&F and from browsing the web.
The Tin Whistle Man http://www.tinwhistler.com
The Whistle Tutor online lessons http://www.whistletutor.com/
Library of Irish Music http://thesession.org/tunes
House of Ireland: sheet music and mp3s http://www.uptospeed.net
FOUNDATIONAL TIN WHISTLE COURSE http://www.blaynechastain.com/foundational-tin-whistle-course/intro
McDonnell’s Traditional Irish Music – has music and mp3 samples http://irishsession.net/index

Have fun, and do take some time out to eat, sleep and grab a whiff of fresh air. :slight_smile:
Nurse Froggy

Hi and welcome!

Here are a few sites that I’ve found helpful:
Brother Steve’s Tin Whistle Pages
http://www.rogermillington.com/siamsa/brosteve/

Wandering Whistler Music Archives (Has Irish and other tunes.)
http://tinwhistler.com/

+1

+1 again. :slight_smile:

The only advice I can give, being a newbie myself(3 yrs and still one. LOL) , is what the experienced players here have told me:
Slow down.
Relax.
Listen, listen, listen!

5 whistles in 1 week. Yikes. That’s 0.875 whistles a day. Keep that pace up, in one year you’ll have 319.375 whistles. In case you’re curious, it will take you 3131.115459882583 years to own a million whistles. I did not take leap years or a direct hit by an asteroid into account. Get moving. And welcome.

Actually, the three recorders were purchased for my grand kids…I just couldn’t resist trying them out.
As for the whistles, I purchased a <$10.00 cheap Clarke high D for myself because it was the only one offered at the local music shop. Ironically, the next day, while cleaning out a musical toys box in the kid’s playroom, I found a Clarke high C, which I didn’t even know we had. It has become my favourite to play because it is less piercing that the high D.

Comparing the recorders with the tin whistles has been fun. So far, I prefer the simplicity and diversity of the whistles to the more sedate sound of the recorders. Having said that, though, I do love the rich low tones of the tenor recorder.

The next venture is to find the perfect low whistle. Just ONE…REALLY…your astronomical calculation has scared some sense into me.
LOL

If you’re looking for “perfect” you will need to define your criteria very carefully – perfect for a given task usually means less than perfect for some other task.

If you like Irish music there are a lot of youtube videos of various quality. Some of them are really good.

You are so right, Highland Piper!

I’ve been watching various YouTube videos and am beginning to realize that to learn which is the “best” it is preferable to actually try several different models out. Unfortunately, the only person I know who even has a low whistle is residing in Alberta - I’m in south west BC. The on line videos seem to vary widely according to both the abilities, preferences and tastes of the individuals playing. Even lining up several clips of the same instrument being played by different musicians produces a wide variation in breathiness, colour & depth of tone, and ease of transition from one octave to the next.

A huge part of the learning process for me, at the moment, is just listening to as much whistle playing as possible to educate my ear. Often, the music does wonders for lifting one’s mood. Although some airs are slow and melancholic, most seem to have that special sparkle that lightens the heart. I’m much more familiar with BC and Canadian Folk Songs, as a former member of the Vancouver Folk Song Society.

Local music stores will bring in a few instruments, but won’t take them back if they don’t meet up to one’s expectations.

I found some high Bb, C, and D Generation whistles while visiting the next town. It wasn’t until I got home that it became clear that the D is almost unplayable. It wasn’t possible to try out the instruments in the store, and of course, once played, they don’t accept them back. The Generation D is prone to sqweaking and takes more air than the Clarke. It’s high D is very weak. The Bb has a fairly breathy, has a bright tone tone, breaks on the high D, so doesn’t compare to the Clarke MEG C or D. The Generation C has a nice bright tone and seems to handle fairly well, yet I still prefer the tone of the Clarke MEG C. The Generations were slightly more expensive than the one Clarke purchased, which goes back to the adage [on a different forum topic] that higher cost does not necessarily mean a better whistle. The three Generations were so inexpensive that it was worth trying them out. They can always join the music toy box. My grand kids and their friends love to have ‘band’ sessions. [Perhaps because I’m the only one in the neighbourhood who is deaf enough not to be driven to the streets by the racket. :slight_smile: ]

The best value so far is the MEG high C, which was a find in the kids old toy box. Ironically, I don’t recall any of them ever playing it and have no idea where it came from.

To follow your advice and come up with a clear criteria, I’ll have to do a lot more listening, reading and comparing. So far, clear rich tone, low air requirement, even progression between octaves and adaptability to smaller hands are all factors being considered. From what I’ve read and heard so far, I’m leaning toward the MK Pro, but am uneasy about the all aluminium structure. Have you, or any of the other posters, played an all aluminium whistle? Is there a metallic taste when playing it?

PS. Mutepointe, the whistle count is raising rather dangerously [5 whistles and 3 recorders in 10 days…

dor c

Actually, it’s almost certain that it’s you that are prone to squeaking, and the whistle is just fine. The Generation requires good breath control. Come back to it in a while when you’re a better player, and you may be surprised to find the whistle has suddenly and magically improved. :wink:

First…what MTGuru said. Whistles rarely squeak, unless tone holes aren’t properly covered or incorrect breath pressure is used. These flaws will correct themselves quickly as you continue playing.

Also as he said, the whistle that sounds bad to you now may sound a lot better in a few months.

Things he didn’t say: Every whistle is a little different, and so you have to play them a little differently. A new whistle is likely to seem a little awkward or sound a little off until you’ve played it a while and made unconscious adjustments to it. I think all musical instruments are like this, in fact. They don’t sound their best the first few times you play them.

Your idea of what a whistle should sound like will change over time. You’ll hear things you didn’t previously hear, and you’ll value things you didn’t previously know about. And one other thing about that: Some of what you hear in recorded music is the result of processing, and may not be attainable in real time on any whistle. Audio compression may be used, for example, to mask the typical loudness of the second octave. Don’t make yourself crazy looking for a whistle that doesn’t exist.

Concerning aluminum whistles, I don’t know how many, if any, of these are actually pure aluminum. A so-called aluminum whistle may be an aluminum-based alloy. I don’t notice any metallic taste, in any case.

Nurse Froggy,
I play an Alba low D, which is aluminum, and there is no taste. It took me a couple days to be able to cover the holes properly (I have very small hands) but I really love this whistle! Good luck in your low whistle choosing. :slight_smile:
-Alli

You are most likely right, MT Guru. After all, I do have to live up to my nickname. Although I usually croak, rather than squeak.

Thank you for your insight, Ubezmo, back to practicing, and learning to listen for the finer details it is. :slight_smile:
Nurse Froggy

Reactions to an aluminum taste will vary from person to person. In my experience some people are more sensitive to it than others. I am one of those that seem sensitive to the taste of aluminum as it so happens.

First, keep in mind that very little of the whistle should be in the mouth. In most cases the tip of the beak will just rest on the bottom lip and will have some small contact with the upper lip as well. You basically kiss the beak of the whistle. So that limits the contact with the aluminum.

Keep in mind also that the direct contact a player might have with exposed aluminum will vary from make to make. Many aluminum whistles are coated - not unlike aluminum cans to guard against a taste issue - also helps keep 'em shiny. Some whistles will be anodized which in my experience seems to be less of a problem for taste. Aluminum plugs are the bigger issue with me.

A few makers are very aware of this as an issue and they have taken steps to guard against the direct contact of the mouth with the aluminum. Mike Burke, for one, stopped extending the aluminum in the mouthpiece to the end of the whistle. He instead leaves an all delrin contact area at the top of his whistles - hence his black top design. I have no taste issues with his whistles. Likewise Erle Bartlett’s Syn whistles use a delrin plug and an outer piece of delrin to form the mouthpiece. Very little aluminum is exposed - no worries there either.

And if you like an all aluminum whistle but you find it tastes metallic, you can always coat the mouthpiece yourself. So you should have little concerns about it when you select a whistle.

The taste and smell of brass is another matter.

Feadoggie

Bryant,
Welcome to C & F. Enjoy the ride! :thumbsup:

Cayden

I personally don’t care for metal in my mouth, taste or not.

My low-g whistle is made by Carbony (http://www.carbony.com/). I bought it from the maker at a trade booth. I don’t know how it compares to some other low whistles (other than Susato) because I’ve never been anywhere that had one for sale that I could try.

I like it enough that I got one in high-d to go with it. A lot of people either dislike carbony or think it’s overpriced.

Nearly everyone really likes Jerry Freeman tweeked whistles. I got the Mellow Dog D/C set from his ebay shop and it became the only thing I played in those keys for several years until I got my Carbony high D. And I haven’t played more than 10 minutes since then (for reasons that have nothing to do with whistles!!!)

I’ve found some of these videos helpful:
http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLA49E08340CF141E9

Thank you, Highland-Piper,u for sharing you experience & knowledge. Like you, I don’t like anything metallic in my mouth.
I’m sorry to hear that you are no longer playing the whistle, and hope it is because you have found another instrument that you prefer, such as the pipes suggested my your moniker :slight_smile:
The link to Erik the Flutemaker was delightfully entertaining. It was like seeing Robin Williams morphed with a versatile flautist, giving the most entertaining sales spiel I’ve ever watched.
Thank you,
Nurse Froggy

Entertaining, yes. Just don’t confuse entertainment with good instructional advice. :wink:

Good advice, thank you! :slight_smile:

Hi Bryant!

Welcome to the clubhouse. Glad to hear the enthusiasm in your posts for our shared addiction. It’s good craic and gets better the longer you stick with it.

Slan,

Deisman

Hi Bryant,

I’m hoping that your comment about the Sweetone being easier to play will apply to the O’Brien Rover set in D/C that I ordered from David O’Brien yesterday. Cayden, a forum member, guided me to O’Brien’s website; I had no idea that such a gifted whistle maker lived nearby.

So far, I have several Generations [D/C/Bb], a Feadog D. and two Clarke Megs [D/C]. The Clarke C and the Generation Bb seem to be much easier to play than the others. As the pros have suggested, it is likely that I’m just too new at whistling to get a good sound from all of the whistles.

Keep in touch with the forum and post any questions you have. Members are very generous in taking Newbies under their wing and provide much encouragement, advice and frequent chuckles.

A site that you might want to try out is BBC’s Virtual Session at: http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/r2music/folk/sessions/
Click on the Virtual Session and have some fun.

Slainte,
Nurse Froggy