Lolly,
Sorry to disagree, but when you play Irish Traditional tunes on Irish Traditional instruments and post them as "Traditional Celtic tunes " you may invite a qualitative judgement.
I’m glad you were able to “giggle” about my post but my sense from reading your post is that you have no desire to play the music properly or can’t, but we appear to be in agreement that you are not.
All the best in selling the CD to the, as you implied them to be ignorant “Americans that are not into/nor have never heard ITRAD,
re perfectly happy with this type of sound”.
For accuracy purposes then you may want to consider advertising your CD more accurately as “Celtic based melodies played in a non-traditional style”…
Listen, people, don’t make this ugly. She didn’t ask for criticism (and in any case, it’s too late now). She has a right to record whatever music she wants, and you don’t have to like it, right?
Yes, Blackwood,
I know you think ITRAD is “super”, and no other type of playing “turns you on”, and you think that something from the 1700s is the ONLY way to play,
but I like that and wrote it down for CD #4, which I DO plan
on releasing in 6 or 8 months in spite of people like you…
“celtic-based melodies played in a non-traditional style”, yes, I like that!
Since I have counter-melodies and harmonies and I play from
written music so that the correct notes are played at the correct time,
with less ornamentation so the actual melody can be hummed, and
the average person could play along on what ever instrument they play;yes, thanks, I like that.
Lolly
Thanks Glauber,
I forgot to remind him that I am the person taking the checks
to the bank every week, and wondering where his albums are
listed, ha ha ha
Lolly
I’m afraid you totally missed my point which is of course the risk of communicating in this format. There are of course many styles of music and interpretations of the music, some of it regional, some of it is more modern, all of which is cool if it’s played well and in tune.
Glauber, no intent to be ugly here, I was just being honest. But one should be able to voice a reasonable opinion (albeit admittedly subjective) opinion, otherwise if the purpose of the board is to just say sincere and insincere niceties then why have a discussion board?
For example, if you play your flute or fiddle in public places and everywhere you went everybody told you you sound gorgeous eventhough you’re out of tune with no technique what do you think your chances would be of improving?
We learn to become better musicians by being introspective and listen to the critical voices of others. Otherwise we’re self-delusional and dettached from reality. If that’s the way people want to live that’s fine, it’s a free country.
I have been holding back comment on this issue. But as the discussion has taken a turn, Lolly’s reaction to a well spoken and deserved critisism there are a few things I want to get off my chest.
Lolly did not invite any critisism? When you put your music out there you must be ready to accept that people will speak their mind and sometimes in ways you don’t wantto hear. You can record any music you want, surely but is it too much to ask a basic amount of musicality, at least to make sure the whistle you are playing is in tune with the rest of the instruments? That you have some sort of understanding of the music you are trying to play? That you maybe communicate something within your music other than that it is you who takes the money from people who don’t know any better to the bank while hiding your lack of skill behind the excuse you are playing an ‘American’ style. I think to be honest it is a blatant disrespect to the music, to your audience, and in a way to yourself if you ignore these things.
Must it be said and must it be said here? Yes it does and I think Blackwood did so graciously and with good intent, wiping off his comments the way Lolly did
I forgot to remind him that I am the person taking the checks
to the bank every week, and wondering where his albums are
listed, ha ha ha
only underlines the point I was making, that there is a mindset there that is, well let’s say, not mine. It disgusts me to no end.
This was uncharitable, unfair, and completely uncalled for.
It would be wise for you to pay attention to what these folks are saying. Being a musician requires a willingness to learn, including openess to honest criticism.
But, guys,
I keep telling you I’m not TRYING to play ITRAD music.
You are ON THE WRONG FORUM!
Wasn’t it just last year they started a forum just for you people
who insist everyone play ITRAd?
We lost so many nice posters who wrote in things like “I had the
best experience playing hymes in church today on my whistle with
a Applacian Mountain Dulcimer backup” and you people would
chew them out to no end telling them how bad that was.
Now they are on Waltons Whistle Praise forum, or GC or a
dulcimer forum where everyone says there is no wrong or right way to play the instruments you love!
Would you go to a Rap Forum and tell the “brothers” that they should
only sing “Negro Spirituals” cause thats their tradition?
Of course not. My family left Scotland in 1895, and Co. Down
was before that. ITRAD it NOT MY tradition.
Please, have fun on your ITRAD forum, but leave this old retired
grandma alone on this forum to play her whistle the way she wants
to in the last few years of her life.
Lolly
I don’t think I mentioned Irish Music anywhere in this discussion. I discussed basic musical skills that apply anywhere, to old and young alike. Don’t hide behind the same old same old all the time. Play it. Enjoy it by all means, but when you sell it, and laugh all your way to the bank on the back of people who don’t know any better, expect comment.
Please be specific. Is it Scottish traditional music? American Old Timey? Ontario-style? (True style, something I found out at Goderich last summer) Or is it some other style entirely?
I am just curious. I like to know where my stylistic influences come from.
I Just got a chance to listen to Lolly’s CD and I enjoyed it. I for one will be purchasing it. I think it’s great that Lolly could put together this CD. Congratulations Lolly on the release of your 3rd CD.
Because if I (and others) want to play in the ‘Lolly’ style, I want to know when I’m getting it wrong. When would an attempt at emulation have been merely a dim reflection of the real thing? The label is shorthand for a large amount of information that tells people whether your (or their) project is successful of not.
By the way folks, we’re talking about a commercial post here. Lolly didnt just post some clip saying “hey, here’s cool whistle tunes I’m playing”, she actually wants to sell a CD. My personnal feeling is that if she wants to use the board for free as a commercial tool, the least we should be allowed to do is criticize it.
Now, I’ve always been neutral to her, never really liked her music but didnt see anything wrong if she wanted to make CDs and people would buy them. But by telling us that she’s lauging all the way to the bank, really, the only comparison I can make is with Cartman in South Park. She’d be a great Cartman!
Okay…it’s the “Lolly” style