Liam's Lament?

My father just recommended me to find a tune named ‘Liam’s Lament’ (I’m not sure if I’m spelling it correctly here). And since my father usually has quite good taste when it comes to irish music I thought I’d follow up on it but I can’t find it on the tunefinder or anywhere else.

I was wondering if anyone can help me find the music for this, notations as well as sound files would be of help, thanks :slight_smile:

On an unrelated side note: i just found the music for the Four Green Fields (also my father’s recommendation :wink: ) notated for the D whistle and it contains two notes below D. Is it possible to play notes below D on a D whistle, if so how?

Thanks for any help,
Arnout

try searching the Leeds UK website
http://www.leeds.ac.uk/music/Info/RRTunebk
I don’t know if they have that tune but there’s quite a few good one’s there.
It’s sometimes a bit clumst getting in but clicking through the reseach button and into music should do it
Good Luck

By the way way that word should be “clumsy”
excuse thumbs

There is another website you could try
http://www.thesession.org
sign on and they may be able to help.

I don’t know about the tune, but I found your question about whether there’s anyway to play below a D on the D whistle facinating! Anybody know about this? or do we need another post so people can see the question?

The prodigal nit-picker returns! Yes, you can play below D on a D whistle, all you need to do is extend the resonating column. But then it would no longer be a D whistle (unless you could clap on and clap off the extension like a trumpeter’s mute). There are alternate fingerings to go above the maximum pitch on some whistles, but once all fingers are down, and the soft breath has one in the lower register of the whistle, the natural resonating column is established. Like an organ pipe, the whistle plays only one note (but that note is then modified by changing the length of the resonating column with the finger holes). The extra breath power can split that column to make the upper register/s, but nothing can extend the natural frequency without lengthening the tube.

Best, Jon

Is your father thinking of “Limerick’s Lamentation”? A well-known air, very beautiful.

There are various way of dealing with notes that drop below D. The most obvious one to try is to play just these notes an octave higher than noted. If there’s just one or two notes, this usually works well.

Sounds a little strange sometimes, but if you’re playing with instruments that can reach the notes, such as fiddles, it blends in just fine.

Another trick is to modify the melody slightly, replacing the notes you can’t get with ones above D that harmonize with them.

If it sounds too weird, you can play the whole phrase, or sometimes the entire tune part, up an octave. Or transpose the entire tune up a fourth (say from D to G) or a fifth (e.g. Dm to Am, Em to Bm).

On 2001-10-22 13:24, StevieJ wrote:
Is your father thinking of “Limerick’s Lamentation”? A well-known air, very beautiful.

I’m not sure, worth a try though, because I haven’t found Liam’s Lament anywhere. Thanks.

Arnout

As for going below D, you can always use a low A whistle, if the overall range of the song allows for it…