Iraq situation better than painted

My note: The real shame here is why stories like this show up only in small-town news outlets. How is it the Marshall News Messenger can find the good in what’s happening, and not the heavily-funded NYTimes, NBC, ABC, CBS, ad nauseum?



Iraq situation better than painted

By HILLARY S. MEEKS, News Messenger

Wednesday, May 25, 2005

For the last three years Americans have watched the war in Iraq, from the initial invasion to scandals, elections and insurgent attacks, through the filters of the media. But one soldier hopes his eyes can become a new view of the war for his fellow U.S. citizens.

“I would have to say things are getting better,” said Spc. Andrew Mackey, a young East Texan who is part of the 3-112 Armored Tank battalion stationed an hour south of Baghdad.

Mackey, who is on a two-week leave and is scheduled to go back to Iraq on June 1, has taken part of his time home to spread encouraging words.

He has done this by approaching The Marshall News Messenger and by creating a Web site with pictures of the good deeds American troops have done since occupying Iraq.

Mackey’s site can be found at http://soldierseyes.6te.net//index.htm.

He said it is a common opinion among the troops that the worse parts of the Iraq conflict are constantly displayed on the news while the military’s humane deeds are overlooked.

“Most of the locals there appreciate us being there. My main job there is to interact with the locals and see that they get what they need – food and water, mainly,” he said, estimating that about 85 percent of Iraqis welcome the presence of troops and appreciate their freedom from dictatorship.



rest:
http://www.marshallnewsmessenger.com/news/content/news/stories/2005/05/25/20050525MARiraq_local.html;COXnetJSessionIDbuild76=CWYv86tqR1EJXkSoaMGKgzcNRiI6J4ypOyMXezLAZQqhaeDR4zeP!-423083534?urac=n&urvf=11171329756190.7896615126559722

Dontcha know, Irtrad, that this just can’t be true? All the soldiers who come home with similar accounts are liars-liars-liars. [Add additional rhetoric here]

That’s a very charming story, but I don’t buy the part that said, “85 percent of Iraqis welcome the presence of troops and appreciate their freedom from dictatorship.” For one thing, Iraqi’s aren’t stupid. They know that the US was complicit with Saddam and his crimes against the Iraqi people. They know who helped Saddam in his rise to power and then armed him to his teeth only to look the other way when he gassed the Kurds. The US even vetoed the UN resolution condemning Saddam for that atrocity.

Sure they’re glad Saddam’s gone, now they wish his masters would leave and let them have their country back. I doubt they can all be so delighted with over 100,000 Iraqi people having been killed so far under US occupation, and I doubt they’re very pleased that the depleted uranium from US bombs will be sickening and deforming babies for generations to come either. In Fallujah, after the US attacked and destroyed that city, the local football stadium had to have all the grass torn out so they could turn it into a mass grave for the over 600 Iraqi citizens who were killed by US forces. Oh yea, plenty of reason to celebrate.

Oh, and by the way… your link at the bottom of your post is screwing up the window width there TradR. Why don’t you just hyper-link it to some text that says, uh… “Cutsie feel-good Iraq war story.”

Well, before you get too overjoyed you should probably consider a few things. First, you should always realize that in anything you can find both good and bad. In the war in Iraq/‘terror’, we’ve done, and are still doing, things which are seemingly unbecoming to our country’s self image, history, &c. The reason people focus on the bad is that it’s very easy to simply ignore it and pretend that only good things are happening. Doing this only opens the door for more bad things.

An aside: this is, from my point of view, what organisations like the ALCU and Amnesty International do. They make people in power, such as the police and government, uncomfortable and get in their way. Annoying as it is, this keeps the powerful in check, which is something that does need to happen. If, for example, the media never made a big deal out of Abu Ghraib, and calling torture http://www.antiwar.com/photos/perm/torture1.jpg by name, things would most likely not have changed.

Now, on to the article at hand. The last bit, where he describes his job in Iraq, makes the report a little suspect to me. He has what amounts to a PR job, and it isn’t suprising that he estimates that 85% of Iraqis like the American presence. Considering that the people he has contact with are getting food and water from him, this is plausible. But it doesn’t mean that 85% of -all- Iraqi’s like Americans, and as a foot soldier he can hardly be expected to have the capacity to judge whether the entirety of Iraq is getting either better or worse.

My opinion is that Iraq is almost certainly not a nice place. Whether it’s getting better or worse I couldn’t say, but I know that this isn’t the time to put on rose tinted glasses. Granted, the more hard core No War For Oil people are probably quite wrong, but I feel that the staunchly pro-government position taken by IRTrad & co is not only silly, but really quite dangerous. The world is not black and white, there isn’t a clean distinction between good, innocent Americans and evil Arabs, and not everyone that the Bush administration says might possibly be a terrorist is one.

Best,
Gabe

Some quotes, which are probably applicable

“But you must remember, my fellow-citizens, that eternal vigilance by the people is the price of liberty, and that you must pay the price if you wish to secure the blessing. It behooves you, therefore, to be watchful in your States as well as in the Federal Government.” – Andrew Jackson, Farewell Address, March 4, 1837



“The greatest tyrannies are always perpetrated in the name of the noblest causes.” – Thomas Paine

Doesn’t the fact that it’s the Marshall, Texas newspaper make you want to consider the source?

The ‘source’ is someone who’s been there, daily, dealing with the locals.

Have you?

Uh, the Iraqis have more than a generation of training in how you deal with organized gangs of men with guns.

And in Iraq, you deal the same way you do everywhere else: You act all polite and grateful to their faces.

So it’s unstartling that this soldier might see happiness and welcome everywhere he looks–in daylight.

After dark and behind his back, however, he would probably be startled to find that the the smiling happy people he meets want him dead and are supporters of the resistance.

The massive electoral turn out among the shiites, for instance, is widely reported to be due to fact that their leadership promised them that this was the fastest way to get the americans to leave.

That’s not going to happen: Paul Bremer rigged things so that the Kurdish minority has a veto over any demand that the US get out: George Bush’s promise, delivered on the eave of the election, that if the Iraqi people through their government asked the US to leave, they would go turns out to have been a hollow promise. He knew that Bremer’s constitution made such a request impossible under the current conditions.

And in fact, the constitution has been so disfunctional that months after the election there’s still no government. The US was forced by al Sistani to hold election earlier than they wanted (or at all) but they dropped back and punted: holding an election, but setting the rules to make the transfer of real power impossible.

there is no money in nice stories.

There is no good way to paint a war of aggression perpetrated for no valid reason. Feel good stories do not make this horrible action right.

The U.S. soldiers are following orders, I hold no ill feelings for them. I respect a soldier doing his job, and those going beyond the call to try to do something good. However, I believe the Commander in Chief is blinded by ideology and a posse of warmongers. Go to www.newamericancentury.org to see that the plan in action was conceived before 1998.

Let me offer an edited (name and address deleted) letter written by my son to George Bush before the war that proves, even a child can see this war was wrong.

Robin Lastname
1234 Some Place
Newport Beach, CA 92663

March 17, 2003
President George W. Bush
1600 Pennsylvania Ave. NW
Washington D.C., 20500

Dear President Bush:

I am a 13 year old boy and a U.S. Citizen living in Southern California, and I would like to inform you of my opinion regarding the war on Iraq. This topic has been heavy on my mind and I request your opinion about my thoughts. A war against Iraq is wrong and should not be done.

A war on Iraq is wrong and the U.N. Inspectors should continue the inspections. Death to innocent people is unavoidable in the “Shock and Awe” attack. In the first two days of the attack hundreds of missiles will be launched against Baghdad and the dreams and lives of many 13 year old children like me will be shattered. The inspections are working and we should continue them and support them. For example, the Iraqis complied when the U.N. Inspectors demanded that they destroy the al Samoud 2 missiles. The inspectors should be provided with intelligence and reconnaissance from our resources so they can become more effective.

If you go to war with Iraq I will not support your decision. I am looking forward to your reply to my thoughts and suggestions, and request that you support my ideas.

Sincerely,


Robin Lastname

I’m not surprised that my son never received a reply.

Hmmm. That’s true.

No. And it doesn’t change my question. If I was there, reporting for a newspaper, I’d bring my own biases to the table, just as does anyone with a brain. All I’m saying is, if only one outlet is reporting something, I have to consider the source. If the Village Voice did a piece on how badly the war was going, I’d say the same thing.

Responses to a detailed survey conducted by a United Nations agency and the Iraqi government indicate that everyday conditions for Iraqis in the aftermath of the 2003 US-led invasion have deteriorated at an alarming rate, with huge numbers of people lacking adequate access to basic services and resources such as clean water, food, health care, electricity, jobs and sanitation.

“This survey shows a rather tragic situation of the quality of life in Iraq,” Barham Salih, Iraq’s minister of planning, said in statement, adding: “If you compare this to the situation in the 1980s, you will see a major deterioration…”

Researchers determined that some 24,000 Iraqis died as a result of the US-led invasion in 2003 and the first year of occupation. Children below the age of 18 comprised 12 percent of those deaths, according to survey data…But they also acknowledge that their numbers [on deahts] are derived from a question – posed to household members concerning dead and missing relatives – that “underestimates deaths, because households in which all members were lost are omitted…”

In addition to deaths attributed to warfare, Iraqi children have suffered from a lack of adequate nutrition since 2003, the survey reports.

Data from the survey indicates that 23 percent of children between six months and five years suffer from chronic malnutrition, while 12 percent suffer from general malnutrition, and 8 percent experience acute malnutrition.

The malnutrition figures are consistent with statistics from previous, smaller surveys cited earlier this year by Jean Ziegler, the UN’s expert on malnutrition.

Ziegler drew harsh criticism from US officials in March when he told the UN Commission on Human Rights that child malnutrition rates in Iraq had nearly doubled since 2003. Ziegler said the rise was “a result of the war led by coalition forces.”

In addition to war, the new UN report suggests that more than a decade of harsh economic sanctions against Iraq, enthusiastically supported by the US and British governments, has had a major impact on the health of Iraqi children…

The survey notes that children under the age of 15 make up 39 percent of the country’s total population…

Years of sanctions and war have also had a major negative impact on Iraq’s health care system, once considered among the best in the Middle East, authors of the survey observe.

The list of “current major problems” includes “lack of health personnel, lack of medicines, non-functioning medical equipment and destroyed hospitals and health centers…”

Iraq’s Health Ministry had requested $2 billion for health care services in 2004 from US controlled funding sources, but reportedly received less than half that amount - only $950 million. Doctors told CSM that due to poor funding and the slow pace of the US-led reconstruction effort, projects to repair hospital water pipes and sewage systems are left undone.

In addition to poor facilities and the lack of medicine and personnel, Al-Awqati suggested that poor security is one reason the infant mortality rate in Iraq remains high under the US-led occupation. “Women can’t reach the hospital at night,” she said, referring to the lack of safety near her own facility.

The UN survey reports 32 deaths per 1,000 births during infants’ first year. The report further indicates that “infant and child mortality rates appear to have been steadily increasing” during the last 15 years of war and sanctions. The number of mothers who die during labor was 93 for every 100,000 births, far worse than the rates of maternal mortality in Jordan and Saudi Arabia…

Of the households surveyed, 51 percent of those in urban areas of southern Iraq live in neighborhoods “where sewage could be seen in the streets.” Nationwide, 40 percent of families in urban areas and 30 percent in rural areas reported living in neighborhoods where they can see sewage in the streets.

Iraqis are not fairing much better with respect to clean sources of water. The survey indicates that only 54 percent of households nationwide have access to a “safe and stable” supply of drinking water. An estimated 722,000 Iraqis, the report also notes, rely on sources that are both unreliable and unsafe.

Conditions are worse in rural areas, with 80 percent of families drinking unsafe water, the report says. According to researchers, “the situation is alarming” in the southern governorates of Basra, Dhi Qar, Qadisiya, Wasit, and Babil, located near the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers. A large percentage of the population in this region relies on water from polluted rivers and local streams, the report says.

Although 98 percent of Iraqi households are connected to the electrical grid, 78 percent of them report “severe instability” and low quality in the service, according to the survey. As a result, about one in three Iraqi families now relies on alternative sources of electricity such as generators, most of which are shared between households…

Source: http://newstandardnews.net/content/?items=1816

Cynicism rules at C&F.

I can’t speak for others, but you bring it out in me, IRTrad. :slight_smile:

Children at that age tend to closely
reflect the opinions of their parents, so I’m not surprised he wrote something
of the kind. You can even see in the way he uses words that he’s parroting
things he’s heard. Now none of that necessarily undermines his point, but it
does mean that just like when some politician uses a letter from “7-year-old
Suzie” it is not only meaningless, but a shameless attempt to exploit the
emotions engendered by children to affect a debate wherein they have no
place. I don’t go to the local middle school to find out how to treat my
patients, and I don’t want politicians going there to find out how to conduct
foreign relations.

I agree with Chang He, about using kids that way.

Well, lucky me. Considering I’m a distinct minority in these parts, I feel pretty good about that.

:smiley:

Everybody has an agenda.

Seems you’ve subtly besmirched my character by insinuating I would engage in shameless exploitation of my son’s letter to prove my point in the same way a politician would. Why I aughta… but I won’t. haha :smiley:

Your response reminds me of a friend who told me (back then) that he “felt sorry” for my son because it would confuse a child to have to reconcile what he “learns” from the news and the fact his father goes to peace marches. This kind of reaction (the feeling sorry thing) is not surprising from someone who doesn’t have a child, or anyone who hasn’t taught their child to be perceptive and examine different viewpoints and draw their own conclusions.

My son gets different input from both parents. His Mother watches Fox News and was pro-war, so he had the neo-con vision in sound bites that a child can easily process. You might assume he would just take the easy road and swallow the sound bites like so many in the U.S. However, with me he gets no TV, and we discuss current events, news, and reports from many different sources and many different countries, not just the U.S. media.

My son is not a parrot. He is a perceptive child, with very high verbal skills and vocabulary, and a capable writer - more so than many adults. He had an assignment from school to write a letter to a government official - he sat down and wrote the letter I shared. Frankly it blew me away - and I could show you other things he has written on unrelated subjects with the same quality of critical thinking and authoring skills. And I’m proud to say, he keeps improving.

I didn’t share the letter to be shameless or exploitative. I shared it to illustrate that even an informed child could understand the wrongness of the impending war.

To assume a child has no place in this (or almost any) debate is wrong. It’s never too early to expect critical thinking. Granted, you may get strange results as their mind, and ability to gather and analyze information matures. But if it’s not encouraged you will eventually have a society of mostly critical thinking crippled sheep who blindly accept the sound bite of the day as gospel. Something similar to, well… slightly more than half the population of the U.S. at the last Presidential election.

Have you ever seen the compassion and concern that a child (even as young as 18 months) can show for a friend, a pet, or even a stranger if the child knows the other is sad or hurt? I believe we need far more understanding and compassion in foreign policy decisions than what is shown by the Bush Administration.

I would submit, there is a huge difference between “compassionate understanding” and “treatment” - and more to be learned from children than you might know. :slight_smile: