Inheriting Cake Hands

There’s an expression about bakers, or at least about cooks baking, which is that people tend to have either cake or pastry hands. I’m definitely the former; I can bake any kind of cake or perform endless variations on my mothers basic scone recipe, either sweet or savory & all improvised. I can freely substitute in or out every ingredient, and still end up with something everyone but an Atkins crazy would want to eat, every time. But I’ve made pastry less than about thirty times in my life, all more than a decade ago, and never had what I’d score even a partial triumph. Any good results came about despite the pastry, not because of it.

I know people with the opposite skill who can whip up a pie at the drop of a hat, and will bring them to a party like other people bring wine. I have no idea how they got that way.

When I was a kid, however, I’d ‘help’ in the kitchen, even before I was tall enough to reach the counter or old enough to read a recipe. My mom would pull out a shelf and stick a tray on top, and that was my counter. She’d give me a mixing bowl, and I’d make up cake recipes. I remember this as being entirely driven by my sometimes strange decisions about what to add, but there must have been a great deal of subtle maternal guidance that I was unaware of, because it worked, nearly every time that I can recall. I’d add, mix, and then dump the ensuing glop in a single 9 inch pan for baking.

At worst the result would be more custard-like than cakely, and sometimes at desert time I was the only person in the family willing to give it a go, but most of the time I’d produce a small, edible product that even my sweet-toothed sister was happy to eat.

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I can’t say that any of this lead to anything that could be called Learning to Cook. I can remember the first children’s recipe book we had, and the first time I followed one and made something (pancakes). That was some time later, and unconnected in my memory. I’d stopped making up cakes by the time I began school, and I could both read and reach the counter by the time I made those pancakes.

However, I wonder if what my mother taught me then was that cooking isn’t something that has to be feared. I’ve noticed that for more adamant Can’t Cooks, the issue is usually fear. They cook rarely enough that it’s always stressful; shit goes wrong and they don’t know why or what to do. Most of the things I cook these days I’ve blown and then recovered (or tossed) in nearly every way possible. You can only get to this position by practice, but no cook is born with that. Maybe that’s what my mother taught me.

Nope. No cake hands. Definitely no pastry hands here, either. I do have decent book hands though, and if the recipe works happily, I write it, right on the recipe, in the cookbook.

I can make a couple cakes we really like (peanut butter one is excellent,) but the Ace of Cakes should definitely not give me any meaningful staff position.

Pie making is a piece of cake. Cake making as easy as pie. I have a marble slab for pastry work that fits right in the fridge. For years we thought the youngest was going to be a pastry chef. Then he dicovered math and physics, what a waste. :astonished:

My grandmother had “pastry hands.” I remember once, around 1982, she told me she’d never had quiche and was curious about it. I said the quiche part was easy and I’d happily make her one, but she had to make the pie crust. I swear that by the time I was done rummaging in the refrigerator for eggs and milk, she already had the pie crust made! Of course, she had decades of experience turning out mountains of food for a very large farm family, so she put in her time to develop her skills. She also made a from-scratch angel food cake that was famous in the family. It was a family tradition for her to teach each granddaughter how to make angel food cake. It took a whole dozen egg whites. To use up the yolks, we made huge batches of brownies, which I liked even better than the angel food cake.

I can make a passable pie crust now, but I think I have “cobbler hands.” :laughing: I prefer baking things that aren’t very touchy, so you can make major changes when the whim hits. I do cookies much more often than cakes, and cobblers more often than pies.

I heard it as “Either (cake and) pastry hands or bread hands”.

The reason being that for making pastry you need cool hands. I’m not sure about how it affects cakes.

I have hot hands, and they are good for making bread. I like to make bread if I get the chance, and I have two loaves in the bread-bin at the moment - one sesame-seed plait, and one basic bread. Hot hands are bad news for making pastry. I don’t even bother.

My mother loved to make cakes and pastry, and it was a great disappointment to her that I didn’t enjoy them much.

Temperature is key, my pastry flour stays in the fridge, ice cold butter and ice cold water and anything else is ice cold. Then don’t over mix it, the finer the mix the more mealy the crust. Did I mention keep everything cold? Don’t add salt to the flour add it to the water, cold water. After you mix the dough chill it. I roll it out on a floured chilled marble slab that is 15"X20." I have very large warm hands so I minimize my contact with the dough and I use a tapered pin to roll it out. I made two strawberry pies last week for an ex-pat group my mother hangs out with occasionally, there were suppose to be fifteen but only ten showed and only half wanted dessert. The wife and I didn’t complain. Everybody here is crazy about fruit flans and linzer tortes. I think any “hands” can make pastry dough. But what about pierógi dough?

Like you, I practically grew up in the kitchen. I loved to cook from the time I was three or four years old, and I still love to cook. I’m definitely not kitchen phobic. In fact, my family will tell you that I’m a pretty good cook. But I can’t make pastry to save my soul. Even with my mother (who makes the best pie crust ever) right there showing me exactly what to do, I can’t make it. So I definitely think there’s something to “pastry hands.”

Redwolf

I’ve told this story before, but it’s good enough to do again. My friend Lori was once at her sisters watching her nephew’s very first birthday cake get baked. Julie made the batter & filled the cake pan, then carefully filled another pan with water and put both in the oven.

Lori stopped her to ask, “why do we do that?”
“Do what?” said Julie.
“Add a pan of water. I do it too, but why?”
Julie didn’t know why, but knew it was the right way to make a cake, because that’s how mom did it. They called. Kay didn’t know either. Kay called grandma. Grandma laughed and said, “I don’t know why you or Julie add a pan of water, but in my oven, the rack wobbles.”

Cake (the kind not requiring any decoration). Really, brownies.

I am famous for being tormented nearly to tears by pie crust. I’ll never forget the time, as a young wife, I managed with much self-control to refrain from cussing long enough to piece/squish together the pastry inside the pie pan (since it refused to roll out), and set it aside on the table. Up jumps the cat and plants a perfect paw-print smack in the middle.

I do much better now, having acquired a stockinette and a pastry cloth. But still on occasion it can about make me lose my sanctification. (Pentecostal joke.)

Water baking typically gives a nicer crust. For cakes if you are slicing off the top for layering I reckon it doesn’t matter much. I prefer my breads to be baked in a water oven. Dimpflmeier Bakery in Toronto makes great rye bread but the crust is dull and bland, a water oven would give the bread crust a shiny, slightly sweet crust such as could be found on breads baked by the Cicero Rye Bakery in Chicago before the owner quit so she could have a life. Make sure the water is hot before you put whatever you are baking in the oven.