Bonjour!
I am from South of France.
Bonjour Sylvain et bienvenue,
Es-tu déjà un joueur de cornemuse irlandaise?
Oui, je joue sur un Wiliam set avec un chanter Froment full keyed. Je travaille actuellement les regulators.
Bonjour Sylvain
“cornemuse irlandaise” sounds great
Carel
Salut! Vous trouverez ici pas mal de conseils bien utiles pour apprendre. Chez moi, il n’y a presque personne qui enseigne les UPs, alors je rends visite souvent à ce ‘forum’ pour trouver des réponses à mes questions du niveau débutant.
Dave Jones
Glens Falls, NY USA
Je ne sais pas si je dois écrire en Français ou en Anglais???
Hi Carel, I did a research on the “Uilleann pipes” according to the results I got, the lonly or best way to call this instrument should be “Union pipes”. In France, we have a good bagpipes tradition music but the Frenchs doesn’t know their own instruments. So when we say bagpipe they think GHB. It is for this reason that I use the name “cornemuse irlandaise” : Irish bagpipes.
Bonjour Dave,
Votre français est si bien que je pense que vous etes francophone!
Là où je suis, il n’y a pas de sonneur de UP. Je travaille seul. Je demande des renseignements aux autres sonneurs via internet.
Sylvain,
Williams & Froment? Sounds like a nice mix.
In Quebec we have the same problem - everyone associates bagpipes with GHB. If you say uilleann pipes or union pipes they just don’t know what you’re talking about. Irish bagpipes or cornemuse irlandaise usually gets the message across that they are a “similar but different” instrument.
I did a presentation of Irish music recently. When I produced the uilleann pipes and told people that they were Irish bagpipes, one elderly lady told me that she remembers having heard the Irish bagpipes when she was a child - she saw a parade of Irish bagpipers marching on St. Patrick’s Day in Boston. I said nothing.
Hi PJ,
“she saw a parade of Irish bagpipers marching on St. Patrick’s Day in Boston.” She may be right. You can have Irsih pipers playing Irsih music on GHB. Or it could been a “piob mhor” Brian Boru’s Irish bagpipes???
When I play UP for children they use to said “It is not a bagpipes (cornemuse)”!
Sylvain : " the Frenchs doesn’t know their own instruments. " ![]()
Hey guy , are you serious or stupid ? Both of these possibilities must be taken into account ! ![]()
Salut les francophones ![]()
The fact is that most of frenchs (“les français moyens”
) are not guys like us involved in traditionnal music, so Sylvain is right when he says that french don’t know about the instruments played in their country (I assume here that Sylvain meaned “most of the frenchs”, and not “all the frenchs”). Just one exemple to verify it: ask some frenchs to name five different cornemuses which are played in their own country.
… and then take into consideration that the translation from French into English… for instance:
Hey guy , are you serious or stupid ? Both of these possibilities must be taken into account !
… could be taken as a personal attack upon Sylvain, but I know you wouldn’t attack anyone…am I correct in my assumption? ![]()
Of course , Joseph , you are correct in your assumption !
My English writing is not good enough to tell exacly what I am thinking about.
Acording to your name BZH 29 we can say that you from the part of France where we can hearing a lote of piping music, I mind more than in the other French regions. But it dosent mind that the piping tradition is more important in “Bretagne”. We can have a big piping tradition in “Centre France” to.
About pipe’s instruments. In Bretagne we play the biniou koz and bras but the biniou bras is a Scotich instrument imported in France after the 2sec war! In Ouest there is the Chabrette and Veuze. In Centre France we play the musette 16p to 23p and the Bechonnet and the cabrette. In the south we play boha, Zampogna (old tradition in Nice) and there is other… As the musette de cour.
But tell me who knows that?
When I speak about “Cornemuse” (bagpipes) a lot of the French are thinking on the GHB!
Why???
From the little that I have heard about bagpipes in France from the St Chartier festival, apparently both bagpipes and hurdy gurdy were very popular in the 18th century, but fell from favour in the 19th century as being peasant instruments for peasant music. George Sand tried to bring these instruments back to public notice at St Chartier, but clearly, bagpipes had already disappeared from most of France. Now they are so removed from France’s self-image that they are largely considered a foreign instrument.
djm
The musette and similar instruments came from the country to the towns at the end of 19th century, when people living mostly in centre of France left to the cities; but the musette has been replaced by accordion when Italian migrants arrived in early 20th.