i'm considering a copeland low D

and i might buy her tonight :slight_smile: the 3-pieced brass low D.



i know she takes a bit getting used to, i want to play very fast tunes on this whistle.
but when you buy a copeland, michael asks everyone about ordering instructions?
i really don’t know what to instruct, but it’s a 500$ whistle so i might aswell.

well i know i like her very mellow in the second octave, i’ve got sensible ears.
and smooth and easy transitions might be good to ask aswell.

any suggestions??

i gave no ordering instructions for my 3 piece low D and it came out amazing. not hard to play at all, from the bell note into the third octave. an awesome instrument. just tell him what you told us.

meir

Yes, that’s how they are.

I just got a two piece from someone on this board. It is one that is 7-8 years old and has had very limited play time. I like it VERY much. It is going to compete with my Overton Low D non-tunable for attention and the battle will be a heated one.

I do not have much time on it, but it is a very free player and the loudest of all low D’s I have played, and I have played quite a few the last few months. My wife says it sounds very flute-like to her as well. Takes just a bit more air than my Overton, but not excessively more.

The finger spacing is ever so slightly more than the Overton and some holes are bigger and others smaller.

I am not sure if that helps you with your question, but I thought that others might like to know about someone else that is new to Copelands.

Anyone know if they can retrofit a two piece low D into a 3 piece, and what that might cost? Love my low D Copeland very much, but 3 pieces for easy transport would be nice

I asked several times, never got an answer.
Now, it’s unlikely: the assembly is built a bit like on an two-pieces ā€œpocketā€ high D (Doolin), i.e. the brass tubes overlap.
I don’t see who’d braze you the extra length needed as a ā€œsleeveā€ for the assembly, esp. on a conical tube.
Now if you do it, you’ll have one of the very first… tweaked Copelands :smiley:

I originally bought mine without any special specifications. When I sent it back for repair of a dent, I asked to have the air requirements lowered if it didn’t interfere with the sound. They said no problem, did lower the air requirements a little and made the low end stronger at the same time. That was a bonus.
Tony

I would add to Tony’s remark that one of the ways in which Copelands vary is in the strength of the low end. My only complaint with my low-D is that it flips a bit easily into the upper octave on the bellnote. Everything else about it is so perfect, though, that I won’t ask them to mess with it.

Something else to point out is that the Copeland folk are very serious about lifetime guarantees. I got my low-D second-hand and emailed Jim about the low end and he said they’d revoice it without charge if I really wanted it done. So if there’s something specific you want, tell them upfront, but if not, just have them send one, which will likely be the finest whistle you can imagine, and if there’s a point you would like improved, they’ll accommodate as best they can.

Tony, we will have to compare on Saturday. I do not know how the low end could be any stronger on my whistle. It does need a good cleaning and polishing, which has been offerred as a free service along with a checkup. This will be done AFTER the Saturday event, for sure!!!

I feel compelled to offer some additional information, and ask for some input from other Copeland low d owners.

I have a Copeland low d that I purchased from a third party. I sent it Jim Rementer and Michael Copeland to see if the low end could be adjusted so that I could blow harder into it without it jumping the octave. I even sent dimensions of another (older) Copeland low d that belonged to a friend, which I really liked (he had to tape some holes, by the way). My friend’s low d had a higher air dam, and several of the mouthpiece area dimensions were slightly different. When my friend ordered his, he requested a whistle ā€œjust like the one Seamus Egan playsā€. So I asked if I could get mine adjusted to be ā€œjust like the one Seamus Egan playsā€. Jim and Michael said there was nothing special about the construction of Seamus’ whistle, at least nothing that could be duplicated at will on another instrument.

Jim and Michael were very nice and tried to be very accommodating. I believe they were in the middle of a move of their shop. However, the whistle came back to me worse than when I sent it. This was confirmed by Jim when I returned it for additional adjustment. Eventually my original whistle was replaced (at no charge) with a different whistle, which still jumps the octave rather easily on the low d. The low d is flat, and I can’t blow it hard enough to get it in tune with the rest of the whistle. Consequently, I have to tape 4 of the holes to get the notes on pitch.

The whole re-voiceing episode took many, many months from start-to-finish. I basically got discouraged and decided to keep it (taped) for now, because I do like the sound of it.

I don’t mean to be disparaging, because Jim and Michael did make a great effort. Did I just have a string of really bad luck? Does anyone else have to tape any of the holes? Copeland whistles have such a great reputation, I just can’t figure out what’s going on with my instrument.

Steve

Hi Paul,
It would simply be a replacement body. Easy enough to do and I don’t believe too costly. Get in-touch and we can figure out if it’s worth a go.
Jim

Steve,
We’ll still stand behind the Low D. I know of no others that require tape. Send it back to me. Promise not to keep it too long and we’ll take care of it to your liking.

Thanks,
Jim

Thanks for your offer, Jim. I will get the whistle off to you. I’m looking forward to getting this solved.

Steve

i just tried a clarke sweetone, wich is more conical than a copeland,
but i feel i don’t get along with conical whistles.
i just can’t get used to the shape.
i know i should have tried the clarke first before putting this question,
i’m sorry about that, but thanks for your answers!

so many whistles :boggle: , it made me feel like a spoiled kid :blush:

I sold my Copeland Low D some years ago to raise money for one of my daughter’s charity drives. I’ve missed it terribly. I’ve got a low F which is my only consolation. That is a Low D with an absolutely unique sound (and I know you’re not supposed to qualify the word ā€œuniqueā€). I need to start saving my pennies again.

On the other hand, I have fallen in love with this instrument,

and I got a chance to play around with it last week. I need to save only 150,000 pennies for this.

HEY! Maybe I could start a ā€œSend Dale Your Extra Pennies drive!ā€

Nah.

http://hmi.homewood.net/mini/

10 buttons, in D. Lowest note is d3, highest is g5; fully chromatic from d4 on up to g5. You absolutely would not believe how this thing sounds. It is every bit as loud as a standard concertina, and Bob and I both think it is louder. And the thing folds up to be about the size of a can of tomato sauce. You would not believe it.

I’m going to do a feature on it in a future newsletter.

Dale

Dale, I’ll trade you all my Chieftain whistles for your concertina once you buy it. Really!
Chris

i’m into the button boxing business myself since last tuesday :sunglasses:
i’m playing a saltarelle nuage in C#/D, i really love the sound,
she’s very mellow and dry, concertina-style tuned! http://members.aol.com/jimattheboxofc/salt.htm

I once met a guy who played a concertina in Japan. I dont remember correctly but the concertina logo itself said ā€˜edgely’ or something(he allowed me to taka a look at it). Its sort of fearful that I should feel some very good instruments more superior than mine!! That mellow tone was a threat… :roll:

thanks for the replies!!
i think i just ordered a sterling silver low D :astonished: :blush: :party:

Probably not too late to comment since you can ring them if what I’m about to mention is an issue.

I think my Copeland low D is a superb whistle; it’s one of my favourites. The only way I would have it differently, if I could, is to have a whistle just the same that had lower breath requirements in that I didn’t have to breathe so often. Copelands are polar opposites to the other high quality, ā€˜big sound,’ low D: Overton. Overtons have high backpressure meaning you need to lean into them and play hard but you get lots of notes per breath. Copelands give you that big sound but the downside is that you’ll find yourself running out of breath rather quickly. I don’t know whether you can compromise this feature without losing what is distinctive about them.

BTW, when I first got my Copeland low D—my first Copeland, period—I also thought it was the loudest whistle I had. I’m not convinced now that that is so. It has a very big complex sound which you get with very little effort. I think you might well be confusing qualitative ā€˜size’ with volume. I recall someone, was it James Peoples (?), testing a number of whistles for relative loudness and, apart from Susatos which actually were significantly louder than the rest, the results were surprisingly similar, despite the subjective impression that some were much louder than others.