Hunting a saint

This may be a long shot, but so many people post here, it’s possible someone here will be able to help me.

I’ve been proofing our church’s new webpage, and I found some inaccuracies in the article on our stained glass windows. Two of the windows have been identified as depicting deceased parishioners Marion Myrick and Alice Fagen. These are actually the people to whom the windows were DEDICATED. The Myrick window was easy to identify, as it’s a classic image of St. Cecilia (and, in fact, I’ve always known it as the “St. Cecilia” window…our choir even uses it in our brochures). All it took was a brief 'net search to find the painting it was based on.

The Fagen window is proving a challenge, however. I don’t recognize the image. As all of the windows are based on classical images, I’m hoping that someone here may recognize the saint depicted in the window (I did say it was a long shot!)

Anyway, below are two views of the window…one a closeup of the saint and the other a fuller view (just in case any of the other imagery in the window might provide a clue). If you recognize the picture of the saint, please let me know, so I can be sure our history is accurate!

Thanks,

Redwolf

Don’t know … But there is some genealogical information about Alice Stafford Fagen here, from members of her descended family. Maybe one of them might be able to supply you with the name of her favorite saint.

http://boards.ancestry.com/thread.aspx?mv=flat&m=1&p=surnames.fagen

I think I’ve found her!

I happened to be browsing the same site where I’d found the Mass card that inspired our other St. Cecilia window, and I found this:

http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/stc04016.jpg

The organ has been “cropped” from our window, so I didn’t have one of the more common symbols associated with the saint to identify her, but I’m fairly certain this is yet another depiction of St. Cecilia!

Redwolf

Hmm, I can’t access that jpg link. Is the image the same as this one?

http://saints.sqpn.com/wp-content/gallery/saint-cecilia/saint-cecilia-12.jpg

Added: OK, I can see your jpg now. I had to disable the javascript redirect.

The above card image is even closer than the one you found. Mostly change the hair to a more Victorian / Pre-Raphaelite / Lizzy Siddal sort of do.

Hmmm…maybe this will work. Top row, tenth image from the left:

http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/stc04001.htm

As it happens, the ninth image from the left is the one that inspired our OTHER St. Cecilia window.

Redwolf

And I just realized that the first jpg I linked to was actually for the image that inspired the other St. Cecilia window (it’s actually identical). This is the one I’d intended to link to (I’ve fixed it in my previous post as well):

http://www.catholic-forum.com/saints/stc04016.jpg

Redwolf

Aha, yep. Same depiction as the one I found. #5 and #10 in the top row are clearly from the same source. By (St.) George, I think you’ve got it. :slight_smile:

The first image (left-facing) is from a painting by Carlo Dolci.

http://www.lib-art.com/artgallery/2860-st-cecilia-at-the-organ-carlo-dolci.html

Can’t find the second image yet.

Added: Here’s a medal based on the same source as the second image:

http://www.patriotic-jewelry.com/st-cecilia-medal.htm

Added: Here’s a tiny full-color version of the source. Getting closer.

http://thm-a01.yimg.com/nimage/b419971ca95698de

Ah, here’s the full-size print. But still no identification.

http://www.tias.com/13202/PictPage/1923065687.html

Added: OK, got it. The original is by German painter Gustav Naujok. The painting dates from 1891, and the print dates from 1911.

http://www.worthpoint.com/worthopedia/old-print-catholic-saint-cecilia-organ-music-angel

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070121124057AAD5j9i

Hmmm…Fagen died in 1904. I wonder if it’s a repro of an older image?

Redwolf

Yeah, see my added info. The oil painting is 1891. Apparently, there was a copyright to-do over the painting, and photos were circulating in the US as early as 1892.

http://books.google.com/books?id=Eb8WAAAAMAAJ&lpg=PA277&ots=v1IEdQWqnG&dq="Gustav%20Naujok"&pg=PA277#v=onepage&q="Gustav%20Naujok"&f=false

http://openjurist.org/72/f1d/54

Close-up details of print here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=220610255105

It seems that Naujok sold the painting into private hands. I’m guessing that after 2 wars and a change of country in Königsberg, the original may be long gone by now.

This is so cool. Thanks for helping us solve a mystery!

I knew that there was no way that image “depicted” Alice Fagen…no offense intended to the lady herself, but even without taking the halo into consideration, we just don’t do that. I’m sure she’d be appalled at the suggestion that it was HER image in the window. I’m surprised the historian didn’t do his research a bit more carefully.

Redwolf

Yer welcome, Red. A fun hunt. We bagged a saint.

Well, it’s probably some lovely Prussian Fräulein who sat for Herr Naujok. :wink:

Here’s the only biographical snippet I could find on the net (translation mine):

Gustav Naujok war Bildnis- , Figuren- und Landschaftsmaler in Königsberg i. Pr. Geboren ist Naujok am 28.12. 1861 in Götzendorf seine malerische Ausbildung erhielt Naujok auf der Kunstakademie in Königsberg.

Gustav Naujok was a figure, portrait, and landscape painter in Königsberg (East Prussia). Born 28 December 1861 in Götzendorf. Naujok received his painting education at the Art Academy in Königsberg.

:laughing: Most likely!

There’s a certain delicious pleasure in thinking that we have two St. Cecilias in the church. Calvary has had a rich musical tradition from its earliest beginnings, and we still have the best classical church choir in the area. Music R Us!

Redwolf

My guess was going to be St. Olivia da Haviland.

I recognized immediately this was older than St. da Haviland although I will admit I thought of St. Mary Benedict of Die Glocken Von St. Marien.

Right when our church was commisioning a set of stained glass windows on the life of St. Francis, two young teenage boys in our parish died in accidents. This was all so very sad and their images were edited into the window of the Pope creating the order of the Franciscans. Now the pope and St. Francis are still the focal point of image and the two young boys are two of the 12 followers of St. Francis. They’re definitely background images.

Oh yes…that’s definitely done. I’ve seen that in other places as well.

Redwolf

In case anyone’s interested, after all this help, here’s the article on the webpage with the updated information.

http://www.calvaryepiscopalsantacruz.org/the-church/100-historic-stained-glass

Thanks again!

Redwolf

Very cool. :thumbsup: